is ozempic the wonder drug america needs?
Every woman knows that number. The one on the scale that determines if it's going to be a "good" day or a "bad" day. Today's episode strips away the Instagram filters and exposes the raw truth about weight obsession, body image, and the latest "miracle" drug everyone's talking about - Ozempic. From step aerobics in the 80s to modern-day weight loss shots, Nicole and Jolene confront the exhausting reality of living in a society obsessed with being thin.
The Weight of Expectations
Nicole: The battle with the scale started in first grade when I was bullied for being chubby and weight has always been an issue in my family. As a shorter girl at only 5”1, I felt like every extra pound was so easy to see and this bothered me. The mental math of calories, constant internal dialogue of "I can't eat that" - it's a soundtrack that's been playing in my head since childhood.
Jolene: I have always struggled with my weight, or at least my perception of how I look. From as early as junior high, I was taking Dexatrim to help shed the pounds. I have never been happy with the way I look and it is a source of constant underlying anxiety. Now that Ozempic has become a widespread tool for weight loss, I can see the benefits of this for so many people to ease their obsession with the numbers on the scale.
America's relationship with weight isn't just about health - it's about worth. It's about equating thinness with success, with discipline, with value. Both of us have lived through decades of this messaging, from Jane Fonda workout tapes to today's "what I eat in a day" TikToks.
The pressure doesn't just come from social media or magazine covers. It's whispered in dressing rooms, discussed over salads, and embedded in every "you look great, have you lost weight?" compliment.
Ozempic: The New Magic Bullet?
Enter Ozempic - the diabetes drug turned weight-loss phenomenon. Suddenly, everyone from Hollywood stars to suburban moms are talking about this injectable solution to their weight struggles. But here's the question nobody's asking: Are we treating the symptom while ignoring the disease?
The drug might control physical hunger, but it can't touch the deeper hunger - the one for acceptance, for peace with our bodies, for freedom from the tyranny of the scale.
This isn't just about Ozempic or weight or dress sizes. It's about generations of women taught to shrink themselves, to apologize for taking up space, to measure their worth in pounds and inches. Although we see the benefits of this drug to help with the obesity epidemic we have in the USA, Nicole is especially concerned about the side effects. When not dosed properly, Ozempic can cause muscle loss and bone density loss which for menopausal women rife with osteoporosis, we need all the bone density we can get!
The solution isn't found in another injection, another diet, or another exercise program. It starts with confronting uncomfortable truths: about how we value ourselves, about what we're really hungry for, about the cost of chasing an impossible standard.
Your Turn To Share!
Are you tired of waging war with your body? Have you considered Ozempic as your next battle plan? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because maybe the first step to healing isn't changing our bodies - it's changing the conversation.
P.S. Your worth isn't measured in pounds, and your story is so much bigger than a before and after photo. 💕
RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Art Daily Dose: https://www.instagram.com/art_dailydose/
America the Possible: https://www.instagram.com/americathepossible/
Dr. Mark Hyman with Dr. Tyna Moore and Callie Means
Tangle News https://www.instagram.com/tangle.news/?hl=en
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Nicole: [00:00:00] Let's talk about
Ozempic.
Jolene: Yes. Would love to. I, I am so excited for this topic,
Nicole: And why, my darling, are you excited for this topic?
Jolene: Well, number one, because it's not a political issue,
Nicole: You guys, we just needed a break. We needed a tiny break. There's been five gazillion things a minute in this administration. It's been breathtaking as it has been for all of you. And so Jolene and I were like, we need a second.
Jolene: which I think is good for you and I, because I hope we have more of these conversations where you, we get, again, we're different people with different backgrounds and different lives, but here's an issue that is not in a political nature, but I wanna know where you come from, like what your thoughts are on something that's not Republican or Democrat, but from your perspective.
Nicole: Well, it's a societal issue at this point, and really a health issue.
Jolene: I think that, obesity is such a huge problem in the US that anything that helps, [00:01:00] diminish the effects that obesity has on our culture, on people's health, there are so many things that are affected by, this obesity epidemic in our country that anything that can help this issue is a positive.
To a degree. as someone who has struggled with her weight all of her life, I've been on a diet since I was in sixth grade. Like, I go off the diet and then back on, I, I mean, I literally remember a time in my life where I felt good about my body, and then knowing how much that consumes you from what's my next meal?
What am I gonna eat? What am I craving? or I feel guilty about what I just ate or what I had at my last meal and my next, I mean that those thoughts in my head are constant. And so I think anything that can help, if there is something that helps with that issue. Um, that they have finally [00:02:00] found a trigger.
And I mean, hell, I was on Dexatrim when I was in, I remember being on Dexatrim when I was in junior high, and my friend Jill Byer brought it to me. It, it was like we were doing drugs
Nicole: Well, it is a drug. It's speed.
Jolene: right? And she brought it to school and I took it, and I was so excited, but I was so nervous because my parents, my mom would've killed me if I, if she would've known that I took it.
But I was so excited that there could be a pill that could not make you be hungry.
So that's what I think
Nicole: I went into this topic with my own preconceived ideas about it, and then I did a bunch of research on what ozempic is. I think that, uh, this is an enormous issue. Yes, obesity is a problem. Our food source is a huge problem. Our food is making us sick as well.
I grew up with an obese mom, and she tried every diet [00:03:00] possible, and her food. Addictions and struggles just permeated in our family life. I, I mean, I remember feeling fat when I was six years old. Like, it is so deep. I hear you. I makes my heart hurt for you. there's a lot here because this is about like.
Women's bodies. This and, and not, maybe not just women, but what were two women, you know, I can only speak to my experience and the pressures of, you know, what we were, what we've been fed societally in magazines and movies. And then I decided to become an actor, which is what a shit show. I mean, I spent my entire life starving myself and to the point where I recently got diagnosed with osteoporosis because I've starved myself.
and this is a side note, but the immediate thing that, [00:04:00] that, that someone wants to put me on is a really toxic drug
that costs $4,000 a month.
Without insurance that gives you tons of side effects. and I'm like, hold on a second, I'm super active. Should, shouldn't we start with, should, am I eating something wrong?
Am I, and so I took it upon myself to advocate for myself about all I do now is strength train. Like that's all I do. And I'm eating differently. I ate pretty well before, but like, I'm taking my power to figure this out. And this is a side note, but it's sort of absolutely connected where in the ozempic research that I was doing, we'll put it in the show notes, but there's a couple great podcasts that I listened to.
This man, Dr. Mark Hyman, he had Callie Means and, um, Dr. Tina Moore on, Kelly means is a public advocate, right? He's a public policy, health public policy guy, and he is very [00:05:00] passionate, sometimes too passionate in my opinion.
Jolene: Oh, I love him.
Nicole: he was very passionate about our food and the environment that, that doctors should not be prescribing to 12-year-old children, and now they've lowered it to 6-year-old children in the, in the next, the last two months of this podcast. , that if you're obese, you go on a Zen and.
He was, he was fiercely against it. 'cause he's like, wait, what about exercise? What about the foods we eat? And that, and it's a, it's gonna have to be a whole overhaul of , regenerative farming and all kinds of things. The soil's screwed up. Like the food is gross. Like it's, it's, it's not just like, okay, eat better.
Like the entire country needs to get on board and say, we are gonna farm differently. We're gonna like all of it. We're not gonna have food deserts and poor neighborhoods. People, people in poor neighborhoods hood will have access to [00:06:00] fresh, organic food. You know, it's not just the, the privilege of the white, rich people.
You know? And that's easier said than done. and the one thing that I thought was, um, in the research was every single. Doctor that, and they were more in the functional medicine side, but they would say that the issue with Ozempic is the dosing and the management problem.
So that when Novartis is the, I think is how you pr is the name of the drug. Novartis, um, is the drug company that has created ozempic and they're, they have GLP ones and peptides. and Dr. Tina Moore was talking about how if you use these peptides in tiny doses, she has found like it helps inflammation of the brain, of the heart.
It regenerates tissue, like it does all these incredible things. And it, and what you are talking about, they refer to as food noise. So it's that, you know, and I [00:07:00] grew up with it. My mother, it was every, it was every day, all day long for years. and that it started to turn that off. But what they found when you hear Ozempic has these like crazy side effects, Novartis creates this dosage and it's like a one size fits all for the entire population.
And it's like, I'm just gonna throw out a number, this is gonna be wrong, but it's like, it's 15 milligrams versus 0.8 milligrams. what these doctors are saying is you need to start slow and low and see how your body reacts to it and why all these side effects are having is that it's like a one size fits all and you're slamming your body and your body can't handle it.
So it. Throws up or has constipation. I mean, there's suicidal ideation. There's a lot of things that, and what I struggle with is that, well, number one, they say that it, it costs $5 to make this drug.[00:08:00]
Jolene: Hmm.
Nicole: In the Europe it, it's $60 a month. And the United States it's $1,800 a month covered by insurance. and most people can't afford compound pharmacy doctors who can do this low and low. So again, it's sort of like obese people. And if you're in a food desert and you maybe have insurance, so you're just drugging the shit out of this poor human being that, that, and I hear great things. I hear people, you know, feel so much better. And I. You know, in the, there's a whole argument of like, oh, you know, what happens when you get off?
Or should you be on it for life? Or, I, I don't know.
Jolene: Okay. So let's go back to, have you ever struggled with your weight
Nicole: Oh God. Absolutely.
Jolene: tell me in what way? Like, like what does that mean to you? I.
Nicole: I remember being in first grade and being [00:09:00] chubby and being teased. And then I was on the swim team and I started to lean out a little bit like first or second grade. weight was always an issue in our family. Let's just say my brother and I both struggled with it, teased. I mean, and, and there's obviously some body dysmorphia. I'm a pretty small person. and I've always been a pretty small, I haven't, you know, I'm five one, I didn't, I didn't, um, grow after eighth grade.
but because I'm five one, any amount of weight you can see. So, and I was like a cardio queen, like Dr. Mary Claire Haver talks about
Jolene: Yeah.
Nicole: in the eighties I did cardio for fucking ever a step classes. And it was just like, how skinny can you get?
Jolene: ever since I've known you, you've always had a cute little figure. Like, I've never seen you chubby or big, or, you've never been on a diet that I've known you.
Nicole: maybe since we've known each other, I've just [00:10:00] been very strict. Very strict. Like, I can't eat that. I shouldn't eat that. oh shit, I ate that. I think we all do it. And there's, and I think there's a lot of body dysmorphia too.
Jolene: because I think of and it wasn't very long ago, I mean, within the last five years where we were embracing big girls? You know, it's the Lizzo and
Nicole: sort of body positivity thing.
Jolene: Yes. And it was, um, uh oh, what's her name? All about that base?
About that base. Uh, you know, I mean, it was like, okay and big bottom girls and it, it was almost like, okay, everybody's getting bigger, so instead of fighting it, let's just, let's, yep,
Nicole: and I know we were, we were baking bread and we were
doing all kinds of
Jolene: Yes. So I felt like there, there was a time not in the very distant past, where people were like, [00:11:00] well, screw it.
We can't fight it, so let's embrace it. Like you're big and you're beautiful and, that's the way it is. and then all of a sudden there was this drug that came out and could make you thin very easily, and all of a sudden it turned like, oh, nope. you do wanna be thin again.
Nicole: Yeah.
Jolene: Right. Do you feel like
Nicole: well, like gastric bypass was a big deal, I think in the nineties. And the aughts maybe. I mean, yes. I think, I guess what, what concerns me after doing the research that I did is that all these doctors were saying that they hoped whomever is on this drug, that their doctor is saying, you have to eat well and lift weights.
Like there's no negotiation. This is what you have to do if you want to be on this drug, because ozempic can cause muscle loss.
and that's just bad as a [00:12:00] girl that has researched everything about osteoporosis at this point, that's bad for your bones. You just, you wanna be strong
Jolene: okay. So then do you look at it as, okay, there's a magic shot. ' that if you take, it will take away the food noise and your, your appetite and all that, but so much so that if you, you've got to make sure that you're eating the right things because then if you don't exercise and if you just, um, use it, uh, in terms of, managing your appetite, then you're not eating.
And so that's where they're losing muscle mass. and
Nicole: known as skinny fat, I
Jolene: Skinny fat,
Nicole: Have you heard that before?
Jolene: no,
Nicole: Or it's just sort of, you're kind of wasting away, but you like your body needs muscle to be strong and especially as women, we really need to be as strong as possible to be able to live well the next 30, 40 years. And I remember Jolene, like I have been a yoga girl forever and at least in New York City, [00:13:00] the mind fuck was be as tiny as possible.
I mean, it's really screwed up. Tons of fasting. take a ton of classes, and people would be like, oh my God, you look amazing, and your like, bones are sticking out. And I was like, oh, cool. I'm really thin. Like I had a doctor at one point, 15 ish years ago. We just went for, for a primary checkup. And she was like, um, she sat me in the office and she said, you need to uh, gain some weight. You're too thin. And I was like, and what did my brain go? Amazing.
Jolene: That is, oh God, what a compliment.
Nicole: What a compliment. But then I left her office and I went, oh, fuck, what am I? And now, you know, having gone through this bone thing now, I'm like, like changing your brain into weight, [00:14:00] being strong is important.
Like building muscle. I used to, when I'd work out at, you know, being an actor, I was like, I can't get big, And of course, Ozempic is rampant in Hollywood. It's rampant.
Jolene: oh, I'm sure. I mean, and Oprah, I mean, is the poster child for it, right? I mean, here we've seen this public person struggle with her weight, all of her professional life in liquid diet in the eighties. She
Nicole: and, and my mom did it, and my mom was tiny and all of a sudden I was like, that's where I got my frame. Like, I was like, I don't understand. She was tiny, but she was like, seriously skinny, fat. She was just sort of like walking around and, and then she ate food and
Jolene: Gained it all
Nicole: gained it all back.
Jolene: being married to a football coach, this is something, and, I did lose weight before I got married, like for the wedding, like once we got engaged, like fortunately Jeff met me when I was at a high point, and so I'm [00:15:00] like, oh, he loved me.
Whether I was a big girl or not. I mean that, okay. So that's true love right there. Um, and so then I lost weight before we got married as that was my, you know, that was my inspiration. I was working out twice a day. I would try to e only eat one meal a day. And then I would, and then I would work out again at night. Now, sometimes that one meal was a bowl of Captain Crunch, but it was one meal. I mean, that's how screwed up I was.
Nicole: listen, was it it was the nine, the early nineties, something like that.
yeah,
we didn't know.
Jolene: I mean, to be fair, it was the Captain Crunch with crunch berries, so I was getting a a, a fruit in there. I'm teasing. I'm totally
Nicole: Yeah. I'm like, hmm. I do remember when, when my parents got divorced we had stayed with our dad. We totally manipulated him and we had Captain Crunch at his house and I loved Captain
Crutch.
Jolene: I could eat a
Nicole: We were never allowed sugar cereals, but
dad felt guilty so.
Jolene: Oh yeah, you played that one up,
Nicole: Oh yeah, we did. We played that well. But even [00:16:00] last week, Connie, when you did your fast, I was really worried about you.
Jolene: Oh my gosh. I thought I was stroking out. So I did a fa just to clarify. So I did a fast, and I, and I don't do it for weight loss. I do it, it's a fast mimicking diet. So it's a five day fasting you're eating like 750 calories a day or something.
So you have soups that you eat. , but I do it because there is research that shows, , the cellular regeneration that you can do by fasting is, is significant. And like I've, I've read about cancer patients before who, you know, restrict their, in fact, my friend Susie, when she was going through chemo, like for four days before she got her chemo treatment, she would deplete her calories to, I mean, less than 800 calories a day because there was this theory of cell cellular regeneration when your body goes into a [00:17:00] starvation state and like the good cells flourish when the bad cells don't survive because they're surviving on the bad cells are surviving on sugar and, you know, bad fats So if you deplete that outta your system, then the good cells are able to regenerate and make you healthier. So that's, and that's why I love doing this this fast. I, I mean, I, I love it and hate it, but could I function on day five at night? I could. I couldn't. We had, we had to cancel. I couldn't think I was, I was in the middle, I was in the middle of a presentation and I could, it was a, it was a Zoom meeting.
And this was, this was earlier in the day and I couldn't think of the word competitor, like I'm saying. Okay. The difference between our product and, and our, and, and I am like having to switch my sentence, mid-sentence so that they don't think I'm an idiot 'cause I can't find that word. You know, that, um, means the people that have the other product, I, I mean, I'm like, shit, [00:18:00] I, I am like, your brain needs fuel and I was not giving my brain fuel,
Nicole: in this menopause world, which I, it definitely has to be a topic of, of, of LA a later date, but I thought that intermittent fasting or that kind of fasting isn't good for women in menopause.
Jolene: Okay. But I thought that Dr. Mary, who's Dr.
Mary Claire
Yes. I thought she said that intermittent fasting was good. Like not eating from 8:00 PM to 8:00 AM like a 12 hour intermittent. I. I I thought that, that for int intermittent, intermittent,
yes.
Nicole: , I thought it is good except for menopausal women, but I could be wrong.
There's another doctor who everyone should know about, , Dr. Stacy Sims. She's incredible. And she's an athlete, and she trains athlete. She's a doctor and she talks about, uh, all the things that menopausal women need [00:19:00] to know about staying strong. But that's for a later date. But, , first of all, I'm very sorry about Susie.
Jolene: Oh, she went through it.
Nicole: how, how, how old was she?
Jolene: This was three years ago. She's four. Four, so she was 48.
Nicole: Okay. I'm, I'm assuming, breast cancer.
Jolene: Breast cancer, but it was stage one, they found it early and she went through chemo and just had a lumpectomy and, um, she flew through it like a champ
Nicole: Yeah.
Jolene: yeah.
Nicole: Changes everything, doesn't it?
Jolene: Oh my gosh.
Nicole: I mean, that's the thing. this is not about ozempic anymore, but, um, as you know, Josh had stage three colon cancer with no symptoms
Jolene: Get
your colons checked.
Nicole: Yes. Colonoscopies, everybody. Colonoscopies. I think from that experience and just like thinking about Susie, I. [00:20:00] You just don't know what people are going through ever,
like in the li in your life. And so, you know, bringing it back to trying to, to talk to someone that might be different than you and have different thoughts and ideas or like, you just don't know what they're going, what's going on in their life.
Jolene: totally.
Nicole: And when someone you love, , whether it be Susie or Josh or whomever, my sweet friend Beth, , you just don't ever know what's going on. are you thinking of going on Ozempic?
Jolene: 100%.
Nicole: You are.
Jolene: Oh, I would, I would do it in a heartbeat, and I just, I haven't gone to the doctor yet to, to do it. , but yes, I've got two weddings coming up I'm telling you, it's the mindset
Nicole: You want your food noise to stop.
Jolene: yeah, I want to be able to be happy with what I look like. I work out, I eat right [00:21:00] for the most part. I mean, I've got a, you know, a few, yes.
Maybe I shouldn't have potato chips at lunch or, you know, I mean, but I know, like I know how to do it. if I just had a little bit of help from a shot, oh hell yes, I would do it.
Nicole: Do you think maybe you could look at the slow and low option
Jolene: yes. And, and so I
Nicole: mean, one of the reason I was doing all this research was for
Jolene: was for me. Thanks friend.
Nicole: Yes. 'cause in the last session you talked, we talked about, you were like, I take it. And I'm like, okay, hold on. I need to find out everything I can find out before my friend takes this.
And Okay, now you've taken it
it's all about dosing and management. Dosing and management. Like make sure and do all the things like still eat, well still lift the weights. 'cause then to me it does seem like there's some really amazing things that these GLP ones, these [00:22:00] peptides can do for your heart, which I know you have heart stuff for your brain for, um, tissues, regenerations of, you know, cartilage and all kinds of good stuff.
But I mean, we're all a chemistry experiment, right? We really are
Jolene: isn't it funny if you were to look at this through the lens of the Covid vaccine? I. And how
Nicole: Oh, we're gonna go
Jolene: people, well, I'm just saying there were so many people, so many people who uh, said, I'm not putting that crap in my body. 'cause I don't know what it does. I don't know what it is. that stood on the table for not taking that vaccine, but by golly, give you a shot of something that helps you lose weight.
And you're like, well, hell yeah. Sign me up.
Nicole: right. Or gimme a Cheeto or give me a beer or give me a whatever. I know it's wild. It is wild. But we're filled with, we're all human beings are filled with [00:23:00] contradiction all the time. Right.
Jolene: yeah,
Nicole: It what works for me doesn't work for you or.
Jolene: yeah. Yeah.
Nicole: But that, you know, the vaccination thing just was complete politics.
Like there was no room left for science and health and facts and
Jolene: Well, I would say the facts were, depended on who you were listening to. You know, I mean, now they, you know, come out and say that Ivermectin might be the miracle drug of the world, but at the time we were told it was, it was a horse shot.
And, uh, you know, and how stupid people were to consider. , taking that and now that narrative has, has changed that. Okay, wait. There are benefits to, to that But doesn't this even go back though, to our pharmaceutical industry?
Nicole: but, but even doing the research, Jolene with the, excuse me to interrupt you, but going back to Ozempic, even in the research, I'm thinking to myself, [00:24:00] if all of these doctors know, like I listened and read a ton of stuff on this, all of these really smart, functional medicine doctors, and a functional medicine doctor is someone that looks at your whole body, your whole health, your sleep, your sex, your you name.
It looks at your food, looks at your exercise, your mental health, all the things. If they're saying, you know what, there is benefit in a tiny bit, why the fuck is Novartis putting an amount that is, it is like a horse tranquilizer. for a 60-year-old to an 80-year-old from a 60 pound person or whatever, 160 pound person to a 400 pound person, that doesn't make sense to me.
That's the part where I'm like, Hey, Novartis, how about making a smaller dose?
I don't understand. I'm not a doctor. I, why wouldn't you make a smaller dose and have less side effects?
And maybe it just works or [00:25:00] maybe it's just good. And then with the pharmaceuticals, why the fuck does it cost $5 and it's $60 in Europe and it's $1,800 here?
And they, and that's when I was listening to all this stuff, I was like, oh my gosh. These companies are just like, he, you Americans. You You Fat
you fat Americans and not just you fat Americans. we are a country without universal healthcare, right?
So we have to pay for it. And so they're like, so now this is gonna cost $1,800.
Jolene: got some money to make. Yeah.
Nicole: It's crazy.
Jolene: wow. to your doctor, please try to do slow and low. Just try at least,
no. I want a big old shot first. I just want, Ugh. Give me that big old shot and I won't eat for like. 13 days, I'll drop the, I'm gonna drop the weight and
Nicole: Great.
Jolene: uh, I'll be so thin.
Nicole: That's, that's, that's, that's the takeaway. You guys, that's the [00:26:00] takeaway
from this. Please don't do that. Please don't do that. Shall we, talk about uh, good for the soul thing.
Jolene: yes.
Nicole: Okay.
there is, uh, an Instagram account called, I have it in my notes.
Jolene: What? A pretty blouse, by the way.
Nicole: Thank you. I feel like we're color coordinated. Color coordinated. Thank you very much.
Jolene: Oh, is that a tax write off? Could we, um, get new wardrobe and, um.
Nicole: listen girl, we gotta get more subscribers and
Jolene: please download this podcast and tell all of your friends to download it so we can get some new shirts, please.
Nicole: okay.
Jolene: I'm sorry, go ahead.
Nicole: Good. Good for the soul. Good for the soul. It's art. Underscore dose. Art does, I'll put in the, uh, show notes, and it's the biggest art page. That's what it is. It's [00:27:00] all kinds of cool art that people do, but it's, it can be still or it could be motion. It's really beautiful and it's just like an incredible, just, um, sensorial experience for your eyes.
Jolene: did you know that you can take a picture and of something, of anything? And then in Google, go, go to your Google app and there's a camera on there, and you can take a picture of something. So let's say it's a chair per piece of furniture and push enter and it will tell you what that item is and how much it is and where to find it.
So my friend Julie just did that this weekend. we have this glass etching in our house that was in my great-great grandmother's house. And when they tore her house down, they took this, this, it was in her back door of her house. And my mom says, I can always remember going to her great-grandma's house.
It's, you know, an etching that was in her back door in like the window of her back door. And so now we have it and [00:28:00] we put it, um, above our pantry. And so Julie took a picture of it to see what the value of it is. She goes, do you know you could do this? And she, and it. And I'm like, no, I didn't even know that.
And that just made me think when you said about art, I'm like, okay,
Nicole: Well, that sounds like, that sounds like a, a mobile antique roadshow
Jolene: yeah, exactly. She goes, you know, if you're, if you, you could be at a garage sale and go, Hmm, I wonder if that
Nicole: If that Yeah. Is actually a Rembrandt. Mm-hmm.
Jolene: Yeah, exactly. Okay. Mine is on Instagram, America, the Possible.
Have you seen that?
Nicole: No.
Jolene: I think it's a group that has started, uh, making America better by making Americans smarter.
And it talks about, it's just little quick, little nuggets of this is the, this was how the Constitution was started,
or this is why we have Yes. And he's so cute. Um, like what does a lobbyist do? And, um,
it's just these little micro bytes. Yes. I mean, it's [00:29:00] nonpartisan. Um, I mean so far,
Nicole: far. Let's hope. Oh, speaking of shout out to Tangle Isaac SAS back from paternity leave, and, you know, and I thought it was really, really interesting how he talked about, they call themselves a big media tent where everyone is welcome and it's not about changing people's minds they are not partisan, that they are not centrist, and that all their staff is equal. Libs and conservatives together, and that they work towards that , and that they felt that they needed to, say this again because I think we're all so used to picking a side, like we are now trained to pick a side that they're like, yo, we're not, that's not what we're doing here.
We're actually trying to be journalists and trying to present an unbiased. You make [00:30:00] your own decision.
Listen, I am also really just biting time because I don't have a Would you rather,
I'm, I'm, you go first and then you might have to help me and at some point, I really think it would be so awesome if we got our listeners to write in.
Would you rather questions for
Jolene: I would But I don't know how that works to keep each other surprised, but we'll figure that out.
Can we have that on our website?
Nicole: I think we will. I mean, we will have it on our website.
Jolene: All right. Here's yours. Ready? I, because I was thinking about you flying, all the flying that you do and all of your travels.
Nicole: Oh boy.
Jolene: would you rather sit next to a smelly person on a four hour flight? And I'm talking smelly, like, I mean,
Nicole: talking like Subway. Subway, New York
Jolene: uh, like it, oh yeah. I mean, they,
they,
Nicole: like you wanna barf kind of smell.
Jolene: They made some really bad [00:31:00] food and they were still wearing the clothes that they made that food in, and they were smoking cigarettes at the same time. And um, and they had body odor and they'd been sweating.
I mean, it's all the, okay, so you've got that person next to you, or the person next to you has a yippy dog that you have to listen to for four hours. And you can hear it, you can hear it over, you've got your headphones in, but you can still hear this and you can look down. 'cause that Yippy dog is underneath the, the seat in front of you in a carrier and it wants out and it's just yipping Yipping for four hours.
Nicole: This is actually really hard because, I don't know what this is gonna sound like for our conservative audience, but we, Josh and I started wearing masks again on the plane. We started in December. , 'cause we travel all the time and we were starting to get, we just were getting crazy sick. And it was like, you know what?
Fuck it. We're just gonna put a, [00:32:00] we're gonna, you know, look like the freaks and we're putting our masks back on. 'cause we got the Neurovirus in December and it was ugly. It was bad. It was bad. It was, oh my God, grab the bucket bad. It was that bad. And so I'm thinking to myself, okay, I'm gonna have a mask on with this really smelly person.
Jolene: Hmm.
Nicole: I am a huge dog lover, but the barking drives me fucking bananas. So you gave me two really good ones. 'cause I don't, as you know, I think we, I don't like, I'm not, I just don't like smelly, like, I'm not into smelly at all. Patchouli bugs me like a smelly person for four hours. It's gotta, I I'll, I, I can't, uh, I'll take the fucking Yippy dog. I don't, I don't know what I'll
do, but I'll take the Yippy dog.
All
right.
Jolene: That's a good one.
Nicole: Oh my God. Would you rather, eat [00:33:00] a. Soup your little bits of soup for the rest of your life, or be 10 pounds overweight.
Jolene: Oh, God, that's horrible.
That's a
really good one.
Nicole: Thank you, ma'am. You're teaching me?
Jolene: no, I'd have to go with a crappy soup and that, that soup is so
Nicole: You're so beautiful. I don't get it
Jolene: Okay, what Well, do I lose weight by the soup? If I eat the soup, do I lose weight? If,
Nicole: No,
Jolene: well, why the hell am I eating the soup then?
Nicole: I don't know. I mean, maybe you lose some weight. I can't believe that 10 pounds is a thing. I mean, I know. I get it.
Jolene: oh, wait, and, and am I adding 10 pounds to what I weigh right now?
Nicole: Wow. I really need to prepare. Would you rather next time, because you have way too many questions for me
Jolene: I mean, these, this all goes into the thought process. If it's 10 pounds more, if I am unhappy at the [00:34:00] weight that I am right now, and you are telling me that my choices are to gain another 10 pounds and be like that for the rest of my life, or eat really crappy soup for
Nicole: and not remember the word competitor?
Jolene: oh God,
Nicole: you, girl, I had landed and granted I was exhausted Thursday, but I'm like, you know, after the launch I'm like, we gotta do this. Yay. I'm so excited. And then, but I was like, ah, I don't know. And so I text you and you're like, oh, thank God I'm dying over here. I'm dying five days. Girl, you were dying.
You were dying. and now I'm saying, would you rather. Be 10 pounds heavier or be that for the rest of your life.
Jolene: okay. Well, I can't be that for the rest of my life.
Nicole: Right. Listen, you are so funny. If your brain's gone, you're not gonna be as funny.
Jolene: Oh, okay. But am I cuter? Because if I'm [00:35:00] thinner,
Nicole: Listen, you are so cute now.
Jolene: stop
Nicole: It's true. It's true. Listen, listen.
Jolene: See, those are the extents that we go to.
Nicole: I mean, that's obviously the issue.
How fucked up is our world.
Jolene: I mean, yeah.
Nicole: Whew. On
Jolene: I did, I had, I had a call the other day with somebody and she goes, I'm sorry, I, my whole family has gotten the flu. We're just getting over it. And I
Nicole: Yeah. yeah,
Jolene: yeah, but did you lose any weight? And she's like, yeah, I am down four pounds. And I'm like. Probably not all bad, was it? I mean, that's the thought that goes
Nicole: Yeah, I know, I know I actually thought during Covid, I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna get super fit because all I'm gonna do is work out. And I'm like, in that first couple months we're baking bread and cookies and I'm like, I'm so fucking fat.
What am I doing?
Jolene: But you did. No one saw you, so it didn't
Nicole: there you go. No, no [00:36:00] one saw.
Jolene: Oh my friend. Another great conversation.
Nicole: Thank you very much.
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Nicole: not true. But we're on YouTube. You can watch our mugs, you can see our crazy faces. We're on, uh, apple. We're on Spotify. We're wherever you get your podcast. Oh. And you can follow us on Instagram at, we've got to talk. and give us your, would you rather questions help a girl out?
Please
Jolene: Oh yeah. Give us good
Nicole: Give us good ones. Dirty is okay too, even though Jeff doesn't want dirty. Dirty is okay.
Jolene: Jeff says, don't be dirty.
Nicole: Jeff says, don't be dirty, We could be a little dirty. Maybe.
Jolene: Yeah.
Nicole: All right, my friend. I love you. I'll talk to
you. later. Bye. [00:37:00]
