what does it mean to be a liberal or a conservative?
Left or right? Progressive or traditional?
These labels have become battle cries in our modern society, yet they barely scratch the surface of who we truly are. Beyond the oversimplified boxes of 'liberal' and 'conservative' lies a rich tapestry of human experience that defies easy categorization.
Today, we're peeling back the layers of these identities—not just as political badges, but as deeply personal frameworks that color how we see the world, shape our relationships, and influence every conversation we have.
Nicole: Growing up, political discussions were the norm in my household. My parents, staunchly dedicated to their political beliefs, gave me a front-row seat to the early days of conservative versus liberal debates. My mother, a dedicated Democrat, clashed heads with my Ronald Reagan-loving Republican father. Despite their differences, our house was a place where diverse political ideologies could coexist with love and respect for each other.
Jolene: Nicole and I have had countless conversations trying to make sense of these seemingly oppositional labels. My background is completely different—I've spent years as a football coach's wife living across various states and grew up in a conservative household.
Despite our different life paths and political leanings, we share one essential belief: Change begins when we listen—truly listen—to each other's stories and perspectives without trying to change one another's minds.
One fascinating point of reflection is how these labels can sometimes hinder rather than help. Both Nicole and I have had knee-jerk reactions towards these terms which belied deeper misconceptions. To me, 'liberal' sometimes felt synonymous with 'idealistic,' and ‘unrealistic’ while 'conservative' often struck Nicole as 'closed off.' and ‘selfish’. These terms, heavily fed and reinforced by the media, have created barriers rather than bridges.
Reflecting on the recent political climate, we admitted our struggles with the considerable influence celebrities wield. There’s a fine line between endorsing a candidate for their values and merely following the endorsement of a public figure. This celebrity influence further complicates the already tricky political waters, adding layers of complexity to how votes are swayed and decisions made.
We also explored the complexities of a conservative supporting a Republican candidate like Trump while recognizing his deviations from conservative ideals such as limited government intervention and spending. Not to mention the sexual misconduct allegations and dirty tactics. Meanwhile, Nicole recounted her realization during the 2020 election of how isolated bubbles of media consumption can lead to an inaccurate understanding of broader political sentiments. Whether you’re liberal or conservative, bad behavior is evident on both sides. No one comes out on top, and we’re all complicated human beings.
It’s clear that the essence of being liberal or conservative extends beyond political affiliations; it is about personal experiences, cultural influences, and the identities we associate with. While these labels help define our political stance, they should never limit our capacity to engage openly and empathetically with those who differ from us.
So, let this post be an invitation to broaden your worldview. Engage in conversations that challenge you, and let kindness and understanding guide you through the complexity of political discourse. There’s a lot to unravel, but there’s also beauty in the journey of discovery.
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Nicole: [00:00:00] Hi Jolene.
Jolene: Well, hello Nicole.
Nicole: How are you doing this morning?
Jolene: I'm good. How are you?
Nicole: I'm good. I see you have your chief shirt on.
Jolene: Go Chiefs
Growing up in Iowa, you're either a, a Bears fan, a Vikings fan, a chiefs fan. I mean, you know those, maybe a little bit of Green Bay,
but because my husband coached. Players. Now we're fans of whoever his players are. So we are, like right now we are big Atlanta Falcons fans, which we've never been, never been fans
Nicole: That's so cool. He must be so proud.
Jolene: Oh totally. Yeah. One of his favorite players in the whole world.
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Darnell Mooney.
Nicole: I think we should, uh, start from the beginning here
and talk about what it means to be a liberal and what it means to be a conservative. Our experiences.
Jolene: Okay. Love it.
I grew up in a conservative [00:01:00] household , my parents were Republicans, which, and, and I don't know at what point Republicans turned into conservatives. I mean,
can you be a Republican and not be conservative? Because I think that for me, I can, , I want to align my values probably more with being a Christian than being tied to being, a Republican because I'm not a, I was not a, a Donald Trump fan. I'm not part of the MAGA movement. but I voted for Trump because he was the best option.
I still think my values of being conservative, mean limited government, conservative spending, which Trump was not. I mean, you know, he spent a buttload of money. Um, and our deficit in, you know, our national debt is through the roof. So, um. I think that being a conservative Republican, it could meet a whole bunch of different things.
And, and, and honestly I think I would align myself [00:02:00] more towards libertarian because I think the government should have a really, really limited role, which is more libertarian. So
Nicole: I would be in agreement with you that when did the terms conservative and liberal come to play?
I remember growing up in the seventies and eighties and my dad was a huge Ronald Reagan fan, a huge Republican. My mother was a staunch Democrat, and so. I had political debates in my house growing up. They were always pretty civil. my dad is Jewish, my mother's Christian, so it was just like, I was like in mutt land no matter where I turned. and then this conservative liberal, uh, labeling brought on another layer and another, I
think another way to fight and to be conflicted or to, to put a banner on oneself to [00:03:00] identify as a tribe and to shut other people out. I knew Republicans, I knew Democrats, and you might not have, um, the same political ideology, but you still were friends. You still, um, played together. You still laughed together, and we've gotten to this place. Where we don't do that, we're not allowed to. We're not expected to. When you do get along with someone, you're, you're betraying the other, which I think is one of the reasons why you and I are here and why we wanted to do this,
um, because. It doesn't need to be this way. You and I have talked about all the difficult things with, with love and compassion and kindness and care, and I know from my friends who are all liberals, they don't have any conservative friends.
You're it my dear, um,
Jolene: The token conservative, woo.
Nicole: that, [00:04:00] that, that we are hungry to communicate, to understand.
Jolene: I was just gonna say understand. Right? I mean, and with empathy, , and I think the thing that we're doing here too is, is not trying to change the other person's mind. It's to understand. Who you are and how you get to the decisions that you make, , and your beliefs.
I mean, for me then to empathize with that, you know, to, to understand like, oh, okay, I, I get that. I may not agree with it, but damn, I get it.
Nicole: everyone has completely different circumstances. I've lived for my entire adult life in Manhattan and New York City. . You have lived as a football coach's wife in different parts of the country.
Jolene: Right. I think growing up in growing up in Iowa. Um, in a rural community in [00:05:00] Iowa, you were, you know, San Francisco. I mean, you know, you look at, at just, you know, those basic differences, but then yes, I, , we've been so blessed to be able to live in a bunch of different places , we were. New Mexico, Texas, L Louisiana, um, Missouri, Iowa. And so I think that also shapes your o obviously your perspective. New Mexico was so different than Missouri and, you know, and, and a little more, , I would say, liberal there's, a whole indigenous people population. I think Santa Fe is a really liberal area. , and then Louisiana is just a whole different world. I mean.
Nicole: But is New Orleans a little bit more liberal than the rest of the state, or is it
still pretty conservative?
Jolene: if you look at, at the landscape of our country, I think those urban areas tend to be more liberal. [00:06:00] And then outlier, the rural areas tend to be more conservative. So yes. In New Orleans, I think you had a liberal slant, but the rest of Louisiana was, was Cajuns
Nicole: Yes, what would your knee-jerk reaction be to the word liberal?
Jolene: Idealistic. and unreal. Unrealistic.
Nicole: I knew you were gonna say that. I was like waiting for that second word.
I'm like, here, here it comes.
Here it comes. Yes. Okay.
Jolene: What's, what's yours? To conservative?
Nicole: Selfish closed off.
Jolene: Yeah.
Nicole: and so, when you have these interesting things, when you have these knee-jerk reactions, which we all do, uh, it doesn't provide a, a. a space to communicate. There's no, there's no give in that,
Jolene: because [00:07:00] those were both negative connotations that we had about each other.
Nicole: right. That's right. and how is that fed into our life Every day?
the media is constantly feeding. You different things than, than what I consume and, and why this podcast even began when the election happened and I woke up and saw that the entire country was red, I immediately thought, oh my God,
Jolene: Mm-hmm.
Nicole: Wait a minute. there's an enormous disconnect here,
right?
Jolene: because you didn't know that it was happening, right?
Nicole: There were definitely inklings. I, I, don't know if we talked about this or not, and now part of this is me, and this is only, I guess we should say, like, this is my experience. I'm
not representing all liberals, I'm not representing all Democrats. This is my experience and my experience also with you as my [00:08:00] friend.
So here we are opening this discussion, right? I don't watch football on the regular, and I'm sorry, honey. I don't, I, I know how it works. I've, I've, like I, I grew up with a brother and a, and a father. We watch a lot of college football more than probe. I know the rules. I can cheer, I have a good time, but I don't like seek it. So I would say it was the Saturday before the election. We had the television on and there was a game on and that trans ad came on , and it was about like they are for them, and I am for you.
It was a Trump ad and I had never seen it. I was horrified at the production value, being in the, in this world and being an actor and doing a lot of commercials.
I was like, this was so cheap. What is this? And I was horrified by the message. I was like, what the hell is this thing? Not [00:09:00] knowing that it had played 30,000 times since September to Fox, uh, football fans. And that was the inkling of, hold on. What is going on here? I've never seen this ad. Now I don't watch football, but I consume New York Times N pr, M-S-N-B-C, the Daily Podcast from the New York Times.
It was, I was the left
and seeing wait if, if this is what they're seeing. And then three days later I'm looking at the, it's red. I think, oh, hold on. We've gotta start talking about these things together
because I'm walking around in my bubble and you are walking around in your bubble,
and your bubble was more effective.
The communication was more effective and you wanted change,
Jolene: Right. [00:10:00] Yeah.
Nicole: But you were getting a lot of hate after.
Jolene: Well, yes. So I would say the difference though is that I. Even though I'm a, I'm a Fox News watcher, I'm also a, a mainstream media watcher, which has a liberal SL slant. So I think, you know, for if you are mainstream, or if you only get your news from, you know, the network news stations, . You are being fed a liberal slant.
Now if you then watch something that's on Fox News as well, then you are, you're able to see the differences and I think that was probably one of the most infuriating things for people that voted for Trump was. We were being lied to like that, that, you know, Kamala had all these people that were, you know, all the famous people that were endorsing her.
I'm assuming with the thought of here's all the important people, you know, the [00:11:00] Oprah, Beyonce, Taylor Swift got into it kind of accidentally. But, you know, uh, here were all of these people endorsing her. Which then we come to find out she paid for their endorsements. But
Nicole: Where'd you hear that?
Jolene: Her campaign was like a billion dollars in the whole after the election because it, it came out that they had spent. Millions of dollars on these endorse endorsements. They had to pay Beyonce. I don't, I can't remember if she paid Oprah or not for the interview, but they were paying for these endorsements.
it was on her financial report you know, their, their financial report that they have to, disclose on, you know, their campaign finance report. I think people, I think conservatives, no, not even conservatives, because I, I think, um, so many people were, were put off by the fact that we could be bought, that our votes could be bought, that if they had enough.
, [00:12:00] influence from famous people that we weren't smart enough to figure out, what was important to us. But just, we'll tell you who to vote for. Vote for Kamala. Just trust us because we know better than you.
Nicole: So I'm seeing a couple things. I'm seeing Oprah denying it. no Evidence Campaign paid for celebrity endorsements. No. November 15th, 2024. Fact check.org. But see, this is part of the issue, Jolene.
Jolene: Right,
Nicole: I'm not saying, You're stupid. I'm saying, where are you getting this information? Because we are so ready to point fingers and say, you're wrong. I'm right. And it's crazy,
right.
So you're coming in with this to tell me this information and I'm like, what are you talking about? this is obviously the problem.
Jolene: Okay, but wait. Here's from USA Today.
Nicole: They're not the [00:13:00] most, um. Journalistically reliable.
Jolene: Harris's campaign paid a million dollars to Harpo Productions. Federal records show two payments of $500,000 each. Oprah said I didn't take any personal fee, however, the people who worked on the production needed to be paid.
Nicole: well, that. Makes sense.
I mean, it's a television show. This is saying No Evidence. Harris Campaign paid for celebrity endorsements. Quick take, vice President Kamala Harris received many celebrity endorsements leading up to the election, including from Beyonce, Oprah Winfrey, Eminem, Meghan, the Stallion, and Lizzo Social media posts have made the unfounded claim that these celebrities were paid collectively $20 million for their endorsements. We haven't found no evidence to support this claim. And then it goes on to the full story, which I can send to you.
Jolene: Well, there you go.
Nicole: There you go. but let's go back to. There was a [00:14:00] feeling in my world that all of these celebrities that have serious influence, that if
they back Kamala, of course she's gonna win. And, and the thing that's really interesting is that we do worship celebrity in this country.
Like in a way we don't have royalty. Celebrity is royalty.
Jolene: Mm-hmm.
Nicole: I think that's why Trump is the president twice. People worship celebrity and worship money and worship power. And I think being in, in the entertainment business, there's so much smoke and mirrors that the regular people don't understand or know or think that couldn't possibly be and, and Trump is a master at creating a narrative and a story and a picture. so in a way I'm not surprised at all that he was elected, but [00:15:00] it's, it's interesting because here we worship celebrity, and then these major celebrities endorsed Kamala. It wasn't enough
because I think, I think you have, you're onto something about liberals.
We tend to be a little condescending, a little know itallie
a little. If only you knew.
Then, which also again, doesn't open for discussion. Doesn't open to heal. Doesn't open to bridge.
Jolene: Mm-hmm. Right,
Nicole: right,
So there might have been a, well, it's Oprah, it's Eminem, it's Taylor Swift. Of course, now that they're on They got it.
We got, we got it. We got it. They, stupid.
or whatever the hell is in our [00:16:00] brains.
Nicole: and yet it wasn't enough.
Jolene: Yeah.
Nicole: The Democratic Party is, in my opinion, such a mess, and isn't being realistic. And things like Kamala should have flown out to see Joe Rogan,
period.
That was not smart.
Jolene: Mm-hmm.
Nicole: Meet the people where they are.
Jolene: Which she didn't do right. I mean, she didn't do any interviews. Or she did, she did one with Brett Bayer on Fox, and I thought she did a pretty good job.
Nicole: I mean, I felt like she didn't, they didn't give her either. She didn't give herself enough credit. I. She was so controlled, which is what it seems
like the Democratic Party totally does. Right.
She's a really smart, impressive person. Let her, let her do it. there's so much control. I can't speak to the Republican party, but the Democratic party, the way they coach, the way they over coach and they become like little robots.
Jolene: [00:17:00] Well, I think that's exactly the opposite with the Republican Party and that's why Trump won. He, you know, got away from the bushes and the Liz Cheneys and the, base of the Republican party and, and said, and he, and he tried to do this in 16 with the whole draining the swamp thing.
But he was unconventional. We wanted a businessman. We wanted someone who wasn't the pol same politician.
Nicole: But did you, because you love the bushes.
Jolene: I Like you, you were, you were part
I still love the bushes, but I think they were wrong in this time because, what was the Lincoln?
Nicole: Oh, the Lincoln Project.
Jolene: The Lincoln Project.
Thank you.
Nicole: the Lincoln
Jolene: I, you and I talked about this during that whole phase
Nicole: auditioned for them so many times to narrate those spots. I can't believe I didn't get hired. I had some really good auditions. I was so, I'm not, I'm not kidding. Like I'm good at my job. And I, [00:18:00] and I
was like, I was like, I fucking love these spots. I mean, they were slanted. They, they went for the gut,
Jolene: Yeah.
Nicole: which.
Jolene: Oh, you
Nicole: May. I think I did like,
but
Jolene: anti-Trump.
Nicole: yeah. But they don't connect to people. It just, it's that same thing with media. It, it, it is there to, to fire you up,
to upset your nervous system literally. And. I don't think that's good for any of us,
it's exhausting.
Jolene: So I think what what Trump was trying to do then was completely separate from what the Republican elites were trying to do. and that's why people liked it, you know,
Nicole: Did you like it?
Jolene: in 16 or in.
Nicole: yeah, in 16, and did it change in 16 versus
Jolene: in 16 I voted for Trump because I didn't want [00:19:00] Hillary.
Nicole: Did you think he was gonna drain the swamp?
Jolene: Yes, we wanted it, it there was something appealing about voting for, or, or thinking that, that a businessman was gonna come in and run our government and not another politician,
Nicole: How did you feel about his personal life, his sexual, Assaults, like all the things, were you conflicted? Were you like, you know what, I really don't, I, I mean, I know how much you didn't like Hillary.
Jolene: this goes back to the Clintons When Bill, I remember thinking how in the world could Bill Clinton get a second term? Because all of these things had come out. Uh, you know about the whole Monica Lewinsky thing and, and, uh, you know, his,
Nicole: Dalliances?
Jolene: yes.
Escapades and that the president was someone we looked up to and it was, you know, someone that we wanted to, to emulate [00:20:00] and wanted our kids to, you know, idolize and all the things. And I remember thinking how in the world Democrats could you vote for someone that was such a, a womanizer and you know, this, this Democratic party for, women lib and feminism and all that.
And you've got this, this womanizer and this is, this is who you're going with. What a horrible thing. We've come so far
Nicole: Oh my God.
Jolene: from that.
Nicole: But I.
mean, it's funny that you say that, Jolene, because, I mean, I think we were, we're raised in history class or civics class that, oh, the president is this thing we look up to. But when I think about, I. And all the history that I've read and like Nixon's, they're all, geez Louise.
Jolene: and
Nicole: Kennedy. I mean it's, they're not
Necessarily the most.
upstanding people, [00:21:00] but now it's crazy. I.
Jolene: So you look at that and is, is it a function of our society that we know everything? if the things that came out, who was it, Billy, um, Bush that recorded Trump on that bus and it was a horrible, it was like entertainment, not
Nicole: it, it it was entertainment Tonight. 'cause it happened right after I went to visit you in New Orleans and you were like, you said to me and Josh, please convince me why I should vote for Hillary. And I was so stumped. I knew how much you hated her, and there was so much pressure and then that came out and I was like, oh my God, this is perfect because Jolene has three daughters.
There's no way she's gonna vote for the pussy grabber.
But you
did.
Jolene: because, and well now I look at it and it's because those were our choices. Our choice was Hillary or [00:22:00] Trump, and he may be an idiot and say stupid stuff and do stupid stuff, but I thought she was dangerous. And from a political standpoint, I thought she had. She was much more dangerous than he could be, just being an idiot.
He's an idiot. Great. So we got an idiot, but at least he wasn't going to put us in a path on a, you know, global scale. That would be dangerous.
Nicole: you weren't worried that his idiocy would be dangerous.
Jolene: Well, yes, because then he. The things that he was tweeting and you're just like, somebody please take his phone away. Like, why are you letting him tweet
Nicole: but it's
also, but, but this is so crazy that these are our leaders
Jolene: Right. I agree. I 100% agree.
Nicole: and I.
feel like we're in this position with social media and everything the amount of exposure that you have, you don't have to [00:23:00] be running for president. You could just be you and me. The amount of exposure that you have, that someone that is actually. That could be amazing at the job and have ethics and good intentions.
They're like, I'm a fucking running for president. I'm, I don't want that. I'm smarter than that.
Jolene: Wait, do you know this is why the whole did have you, , read any of the briefs from the Supreme Court and the TikTok thing?
Nicole: I haven't, I've never been on TikTok and maybe. Part of it is I have just not been interested because I don't consume that, but tell me.
Jolene: One of the main concerns is that when you push the agree button on TikTok is the amount of information that Bite Dance is gathering from you. And it's not even if you don't have the app, if you are in the contact list of someone who has the app. So they are able to gather [00:24:00] information.
Even if you've, if me, who is in someone's, I don't have TikTok, but I'm in someone's my daughter's contacts that they are able to access. Deleted messages that I have sent and if I've deleted them or pictures or videos or I, I mean, all this stuff, and the thought was that the Chinese will use this. If you've sent a private text message to someone and they have garnered that information and in 20 years when you run for political office, they will be able to, to bring this back up. That I, I mean that the United States is scra rude because of all of the information that the Chinese have gathered from us all via this app that's faring scary.
Nicole: I have no response. Um, I have no response [00:25:00] because. I can imagine that that could happen. I'm assuming from what you're saying, that you would like TikTok to be shut down.
Jolene: we're frigging United States of America. I can't believe that. we don't have someone that can come up with that same app and have it not run by the Chinese government.
Nicole: I, I am in a complete agreement with you. Uh, even if a fraction of what you say is absolutely true, I'm in complete agreement with you.
Jolene: I think the other concern though is all of our phones are made in China. We don't think there is something in our phones that the Chinese are gathering anyway.
Nicole: when the pandemic hit and there were no masks at the beginning 'cause everything's made in China. Yeah. And supposedly I was listening this morning. To NPR up first, and they were interviewing people about are we ready for another pandemic?
If we, if that happens, and we're not, and now we have such a short attention spans. I'm like, we're just making the [00:26:00] same mistakes over and over again. It seems to be that it's how history works too,
I'm with you that. these things they're amazing and they could be the end of us.
Right. it's funny, one of my, not first auditions, but when I was starting to do a lot of voiceovers, I, um, did a job for NBC News, and it was when Facebook was becoming very popular and. They did a news story on kids applying to college and that you better be careful what you're posting because those college applications, they are looking and it's just gotten completely out of control.
Like we have absolutely no privacy. I think it's crazy that it's taken this long in terms of TikTok to. Shut it down or change the owner. but I feel like it's all greed and all power, [00:27:00] and that's why things take such a long time to either, either they're hoping it's gonna go away, which it's not.
Jolene: My personal belief is it is such a huge business to your point, I know that there have been really good offers. Made to bite dance, to, to purchase it from an American, you know, from American companies or Americans. And, and Bite dance has said, Chinese has have said, Nope, nope, not interested.
I just don't understand why there's not an American company who could turn it on like that and, and make it, you know, I, we have a lot of smart, rich people that could do it. I think overnight, okay. All right.
Okay.
Would you rather or go to a college football game or an NFL game?
Nicole: Oh, college I've been to. Many college games. I grew up going to Cal Bear games, and then I went to the University of Iowa Hawkeyes with [00:28:00] my friend Jolene, who made me get tickets
and I've been to one Pro game. That's it. I went to a Kansas City Chiefs game.
Jolene: What?
Nicole: I did,
I did. I
just realized that, I was dating a guy that was from Kansas City and I went to meet his family and they took us, they took me to a chief's game.
I totally forgot about that. And it was in October and it was breast cancer awareness.
So everybody's wearing pink
uh, we had amazing barbecue
and it was the loudest fucking game of my life. I have really sensitive ears and I have to protect my ears 'cause of my work with voiceovers and I didn't have earplugs and I was like, holy shit, what the fuck is happening here? And it turns out that the Kansas City Stadium is the loudest pro stadium.[00:29:00]
Jolene: They do a heck of a job being so loud.
Nicole: Girl, here's the deal. I gotta tell this. Maybe, maybe we're not gonna ask my would you rather, and we're just gonna tell this story. we, our big skiers and our favorite mountain is Alta. And you go up little Cottonwood and on the weekends it can be a total n nightmare. They call it the Red Snake 'cause the traffic is so bad. And a couple weekends ago, once Sundays ago, we were determined to go up and we'd never have the patience for it.
'cause we're very lucky and can go during the week. So it was two Sundays ago, and I drink an enormous amount of water every single morning. I take all my fricking supplements for all my like menopausal, osteoporosis, nonsense. So I'm drinking, drinking. I drink so much fucking water. And so I get. And I guess maybe I peed before I got in the car, but I didn't really think about it.
And then we got on our way and the traffic was nothing like we've ever seen. And normally we have no patience. But this time we were like, okay, we're gonna [00:30:00] go. We're just having fun. We're listening to music. Having a great time.
Jolene: Is it just the two of
Nicole: Just me and Josh? No, just, just me and me and Josh and Gorgeous morning. And, and we literally go like two feet an hour.
And so we're about to get into the second hour and we're now at the mouth
of the canyon, which really, it should only take a half an hour, not two hours. So we're at the mouth of the canyon, we're getting close, and all of a sudden I'm like, oh my God. I'm hurting Josh. I'm hurting. And he goes, Hmm, do you wanna turn around?
Like, no. Like at this point I'm like, we've invested, we are
getting up there because it had snowed 21 inches the night before, so we wanted to get some powder,
but this is so obnoxious and so ridiculous. But I was in it for that point. So he is like, no, I don't wanna turn around.
So,
Jolene: like a convenience store or
Nicole: oh no, you're in the woods.
Like,
you're on, you're on, you're up a canyon. So. I am looking around the car and I [00:31:00] see this little Dasani bottle. I'm like, no, it's too small. And I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking and Josh is just like, are you okay? And I'm like, you know, hurting and my mouth, you know, just freaking out. And I see my, like sports bottle,
like a, like a, and, and that's filled with water.
'cause I like to hydrate 'cause I'm not hydrated enough. Okay. And I'm like, oh my God, I gotta do this. And Josh is, now we're moving, we're finally fucking moving up the mountain. So. He takes the bottle, he pours it outside the window, and then he is like, what are you gonna do? And I was like, I got this. I pull, I take my shoes, my boots, I pull my ski pants off, I pull my long johns off, I throw it in the back.
He's, he's like, what are you doing? I pull my underwear off, I throw it on the back. I like climb and I hold onto the dash. And now we're fully moving. I'm squatting and I put my [00:32:00] butt at the edge and I'm like, I got this. I've had to do urine samples, I've got this, and I pee forever. And it was a 16 ounce bottle. I'm like, I'm gonna not, I can't, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go over, I'm gonna go. Finally. He's like, are you done? I'm like, Nope. But I was like, I think I got this now. So I, I clinch it up. I put the, the top on and I stick it in the holder. It's bright yellow 'cause of all my
supplements, and I'm like, I'm
good.
I'm good. Not a drop girl. Not a
drop.
Jolene: I can't tell you how impressed I am with you right
Nicole: I have to say I was impressed with myself, but it was a, You know, like a workout bottle. They have bigger, bigger holes,
for lack of a better word, bigger circles. So, um, so yeah, so then I, we got to the resort, I went and peed another monster pee, and then I, [00:33:00] and I left the bottle in the car.
'cause I'm like, I can't bring this in. And so then I, I assume we had a wonderful ski day that I came back down and the first thing I did was Josh was like, get rid of that thing. And so I got in the house and I.
Jolene: You did throw it away.
Nicole: I poured it in the toilet and I threw the bottle away. When I got
Jolene: Okay. Okay.
Nicole: I wanted to be a private experience,
Jolene: Did you cut it off without finishing
Nicole: Yes.
Jolene: again? Kegel exercises. Yes.
Nicole: yes, I did.
Yes, I did. But I, but I got a good, a good 12 ounces in there. I was like, yep. So that, that was it. That was instead of, instead of ta answering, instead of giving you a, would you rather that private humiliation that I just shared with everyone, I think is
Jolene: I don't know that that was humiliation. I feel like that was, I mean,
Nicole: Kegel
Jolene: like her heroics is what you did right there. Yes.
Nicole: we gotta keep it real here We talk about whatever we need to talk about, [00:34:00] and then we go on with our day and we
maybe add a little bit of laughter.
Jolene: I love it.
It's perfect.
Nicole: All right, doll.
Well, thank you, I love you I hope you have a wonderful day, and thank you all for listening.
We really appreciate it. If you lasted this long, God bless you and thank you
