Republican vs Liberal Views of Trump: What the Beyond MAGA Report Reveals
The “Beyond MAGA” report from More in Common is one of those pieces of research that makes you stop and go, well… that’s more complicated than the internet would have us believe. Which, honestly, is not a bad place to start. If you spend any time online, you’d think Trump voters are one giant, identical block of people wearing the same emotional uniform. Angry. Extreme. Predictable. End of story. But that is not what the data shows.
What caught our attention about this report, which was recommended to us by Brad Porteus, a former guest on We’ve Got To Talk and Founder of Bridge Grades, is that it actually tries to map the Trump coalition with more honesty and more nuance. Instead of flattening millions of people into one caricature, it breaks them into groups like MAGA Hardliners, Anti-Woke Conservatives, Mainstream Republicans, and the Reluctant Right. And that matters, because if you want to understand why people vote the way they do, you have to stop treating them like they all have the same opinions.
The report highlights how much things like faith, distrust in institutions, and community identity shape political choices. That doesn’t mean every religious voter thinks the same way. It means politics is often downstream from deeper questions about belonging, order, meaning, and who people feel actually sees them. In a weird way, even organized religion can start to feel rebellious in a culture that assumes traditional belief automatically equals backwardness.
Immigration was another huge thread running through the report, and this is where the stereotypes really start to crack. Because while immigration is often treated like a neat sorting tool, as if one opinion tells you everything about a voter, the reality is messier. Many Trump supporters are not anti-immigrant in the cartoonish way they are often portrayed. A lot of them hold warm views toward legal immigration while also feeling frustrated by what they see as disorder, unfairness, or a system that no longer feels credible. You do not have to agree with that framing to understand that it is real.
And then there is the “wokeness” question, which is one of those words that means ten different things depending on who is saying it and who is rolling their eyes in response. But the report gets at something important here, too. A lot of voters are reacting not just to policy, but to tone. To the feeling that cultural messaging became moralized, performative, or disconnected from everyday life. As a liberal, I think that is worth sitting with. Not because every criticism is fair, but because not every criticism is fake either.
What I appreciated most about the report is that it reminds us the loudest voices are rarely the majority. Social media trains us to think politics is made up of extremes shouting across a canyon. But most people are not living there. Most people are trying to make sense of a country that feels unstable, expensive, culturally tense, and institutionally untrustworthy. They are not all arriving at the same conclusions, but they are often reacting to the same underlying anxieties.
That does not mean we all secretly agree. We do not. But it does mean there is more common ground in the emotional landscape than people want to admit. Frustration. Distrust. Fatigue. A sense that the system is not working for ordinary people. A desire for belonging. A desire for order. A desire not to be talked down to. Once you start there, the conversation gets more honest.
And maybe that is the real value of something like “Beyond MAGA.” Not that it hands us a neat answer, but that it forces us to stop being lazy. To stop assuming we already know what “those people” think. To stop treating political identity as if it were genetically fixed and morally obvious. If we want to understand this country, especially heading into another election cycle, we are going to have to get better at tolerating complexity.
Democracy gets very brittle when everyone is reduced to a stereotype. And if we want a healthier political culture, we are going to need less screaming, less certainty, and a lot more curiosity.
So if this report challenges your assumptions a bit, good. That is probably the point. The question is not whether you like every part of what it reveals. The question is whether you are willing to look anyway.
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nicole: [00:00:00] She's a conservative and I'm liberal, and yet we've been friends for almost 40 years. Everyone says you shouldn't discuss politics, religion, or money. And we say, that's exactly what friends should be talking about. Join us as we tackle the conversations you're having in your head, but are too scared to say out loud.
Welcome to, we've got a talk. Welcome, Joe Lane.
Jolene: Thank you,
nicole: you.
Jolene: on today's, uh, episode of we've. Got to talk. We are dissecting a study by an organization called More in Common, it's entitled Beyond maga, a Profile of the Trump Coalition. And this was an article that our friend Brad Portus, from an earlier episode that, hopefully you've all gotten to see and listen to, um, recommended that we kind of dive into and. it goes deep with lots of interviews and lots of, surveys and, um, market analysis of the Trump voter from 2024. And I [00:01:00] love this because I feel like we are not so far apart from the Democrats. What's your take on this?
nicole: I agree with you. I, one thing, that I took away from it was Because it broke down. the Trump voter into categories and, and you really saw the nuances of all of these people.
They interviewed 18,000 people, 10,000 Trump voters, in a very elaborate, uh, study that was from May. 25 to January 26. and they're also, by the way, they're gonna do the left. That is, that is in the works. So we can do an episode on that. number one, had a very strong positive feeling about it because it reminded me of what we're doing here and we've got to talk like unraveling what's really happening, how people really feel, why they might vote for Trump, or why they might not vote for [00:02:00] Trump, and not about just like it's this clean cut.
This is who this person is, which is what we see and hear on social media. All day long There was also a piece that I wanna also dive into you about understanding in the Trump voter. the spike in religious faith and the distrust in the government. the way they reported, the way they analyzed, the way I heard these stories, things started to click in a way that never did before. And then the third was that we really have two choices here. a path that we can either learn from each other and figure out how to move forward together, or there's an economy that is based around this staying in conflict and we have a group of young voters that have only really seen that.
nicole: Jolene. I have questions for you. the way they broke down these, Trump voters, it was the maga [00:03:00] hardliner. It was the anti woke conservative. It was the, mainstream Republican.
And the reluctant. Right. And they have,
Jolene: you think I
nicole: do you think I was, I know. So here was the thing. And then they have these great graphics and they have great videos. We will put all this in the show notes so that you can follow along. Um, and if you all are a Trump voter. Please take the quiz to figure out what quote unquote you are.
So as I was going through it, I was like, Jolene, because of course, yes, there are nuances, but then there were conflict in these categories
Jolene: Yes.
nicole: because at times I thought she's totally an anti woke conservative. But then part of their deal is that they're not religious. And I'm like, well, that doesn't really work very well.
And then there were times when I was like, she's totally a mainstream Republican. And then I was like, ah. And there was a couple things I'm like, I don't know. And then sometimes I thought you were a reluctant, right? I never thought you were a maga [00:04:00] hardliner. That is one thing I can tell you that I knew that.
It wasn't. Now this doesn't totally work, y'all. I took the quiz, which doesn't work because I never voted for Trump. But if it's, if it's not clear, I was a reluctant, right. That's what, because.
Jolene: what? So was I.
nicole: That's what I thought,
Jolene: and their, their questions are really good. So, like you said, they interviewed 10,971 Trump voters, and then 7,400 non-Trump voters. and, um, had over 18,000 total interviews.
nicole: Yes.
Jolene: did this over a wave. They had six different waves, so they did it at different times. So they tried to encompass, you know, as we've talked about, there are so many things that are happening all the time that I'm sure. what people thought before the ice incidents of Minnesota of
nicole: Yes.
Jolene: was probably different than after. So I mean, they tried to really encompass, and even though they did the last ones in January of 26, you know, they, they tried to get [00:05:00] different phases of, of these Trump voters over the last year.
nicole: Yes.
Jolene: Okay. So, so naturally, I'm always skeptical of any poll because I think they can be manipulated in any way that you want to manipulate the questions and, and have questions that are, that would kind of lead you to kind of go one way.
And, and so I'm always very, skeptical and I was with this one too because some of the questions like having to do with religion. you can't give a black and white answer
nicole: Yeah.
Jolene: you know, some of them were like, do you believe in evolution or do you believe in creationism?
And,
nicole: right.
Jolene: it wasn't that question, but the question was kind of like. Do you believe in evolution to some degree? Do you believe that God created humans and that they've naturally evolved? I mean, you know, so, so I feel like there's, um, they really did a good job with the, with the questions by not just making it, like. Kind of guiding you into [00:06:00] this is who you are. from that perspective, I thought it was really good. because they really kind of, they touched on religion. They talked about, um, local elections, they've talked about. I mean, there, they, they encompassed so many different parts
nicole: Yes, yes.
Jolene: Of being either a Republican or or a Democrat. That, again, I think that is the whole message that I feel like, and, and you and I have experienced this with, with the comments that we get either emails or, or comments on our socials you know, we'll get a question from somebody who will say, I can't believe you voted for Trump when. He could be part of the Epstein files. I
nicole: Right,
Jolene: and, and I think we do such a bad job and We've been kind of hoodwinked as a society
nicole: right. Yeah.
Jolene: thinking, okay, this is who you are as a, as a Trump supporter, and, and you believe in all of these things that he espouses,
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: true.
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: said a hundred times, [00:07:00] had a choice between Kamala and Trump. And you had to make the best choice for you. And even though you may have agreed with only 60% of the things that Trump does, but you only agreed with 40% of what Kamala does, guess what you're voting for Trump?
nicole: our listeners that are on the liberal side, I am imploring you to take a look at this report it shed such a light for me to understand. And here I'm doing this for the past year, delving in a way that I never have. seeing how much division there is and how media is trying to get us to divide and seeing how much the left liens and the right liens, and I am looking at this report there was this one example, It was about immigration. They talked about immigration a lot.
'cause that's a hot button for, uh, Republicans and the wokes, which was another fascinating thing.
but this is, goes back to the Monica Guzman stuff about our horrible [00:08:00] perception gaps.
Jolene: Yep.
nicole: that we make these decisions about other people when they're actually not correct at all. there was the quote, properly controlled immigration can be good for America in 2019. Republicans actual view was that they agreed 85% with that statement, Democrats. They thought Republicans only agreed 52% of that, like the gaps are huge. And in 2024 it went from 89%. The Republicans believed that statement, and Democrats decided only 43% of them believed that statement.
And there was this other part of that that I thought was wild. It said Of this group of people, Trump voters believed that of all the immigrants that are in this country now, 68% of them crossed illegally.
[00:09:00] Actually 30% are illegal of all the immigrants that are in this country. And when I thought about that just like taking all of the emotion out of this and going, hmm. Okay. If I was a person that immigration, this is a really important subject, and I think that all the immigrants at 68% have, have broken the law. like, it's all skewed. of course, they want something to, work in that respect. If they think 68% of people have broken the law. Versus the actuality is 30%. that was the other thing in the report was that most Republicans with the exemption of the MAGA hardliners, which are.
20% of the party, not a hundred percent of the party. Most Republicans on immigration want people to come here legally and [00:10:00] have warm feelings towards the immigrants that do it the right way.
Jolene: And that was one of the questions that I had highlighted on here, the warmth towards legal immigrants, the US average, so this isn't Trump, this is US average, uh, Democrats, Republicans alike is 72%. 70 or 70. Yeah. 72% have a warm feeling towards legal immigrants the Trump voters. It's 71%,
nicole: but also they were saying that like. There is a difference that there's a colder view for the people that have come illegally.
Jolene: Yes.
nicole: And this might be a really simple question, Jolene, considering we've talked about this topic so many times, And I know you can't speak for all Republicans.
You're speaking for you and you're a reluctant, right? If 71% of Trump voters think warmly about a person that does it the right way, and then you have another person who [00:11:00] doesn't and there's there, there is a colder feeling towards them. Do they feel gypped? Like what's the feeling?
Jolene: Okay. So I think there are a couple of answers here
nicole: Okay.
Jolene: obviously this is a really broad question, you know, and there's a lot of different answers here. one of the things that struck me, and this was an interview and I believe she was a lady from um, Florida, who said, my family came here. Legally and had to go through the process. And I have an have an appreciation for America because that's what we did,
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: I want others to experience that too, and I don't want others to skip the line and, and do it, you know, do it the wrong way. So that's number one. Now with that. I know the next part of that is then we've got to fix our [00:12:00] immigration laws
nicole: sure.
Jolene: it's so hard to do it the right way. and I would think that everyone that, I would bet 95% of Americans, you're a Republican or Democrat, would agree that yes, our legal immigration system needs is, needs to be
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: that would solve a lot of issues. But secondly, when you ask about illegals, when we did a segment, when we did a podcast on immigration, and I think we were probably talking about ice.
And one of your comments was that only 3% of immigrants, of, of illegal undocumented.
nicole: Undo migrants,
Jolene: migrants. Undocumented migrants,
nicole: uhhuh,
Jolene: although I never heard
nicole: that term.
Jolene: article, did
nicole: Did you not?
Jolene: they,
nicole: No, you're right. They call, they, they, they call them legal immigrants and illegal immigrants,
Jolene: Yeah.
Um.
nicole: and, but that's part of the, the, the woke thing [00:13:00] that we could talk about too.
Jolene: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that only 3% are criminals, right?
nicole: Oh, yes,
Jolene: that something?
nicole: yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes.
Jolene: if you look at what, 3% of the 300 million that are in here, so that still means that there are 90,000 criminal, illegal,
nicole: People,
Jolene: people, humans. Breathers in, in this country.
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: still 90,000 is a lot. So when you say that, um, you know, what, what are the feelings towards those dangerous, you know, that we don't want the dangerous immigrants in here.
Oh, that's why. I mean that if they're criminals, they should be deported. Again, a concept that I think 95% Of Republicans and Democrats would agree on, you know, we both agree that dangerous criminal illegals need to be deport deported, so then it's. All of the others, you know, all of [00:14:00] the others that have, you know, that, that I know personally, that you know personally, that you know that, pull at your heartstrings because you're going, they just wanted a better life.
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: by golly, if I was born in Mexico and my husband said, we're gonna get you to America because we can have a better life, God love him. Absolutely. You know, I mean, is the reality. So just think there's so many different stories and different ways of looking at this. That, um, it's hard to say then, okay, this one gets to stay and this one doesn't, and we've, number one, we gotta fix the system.
nicole: the system has to be fixed. Yeah.
Jolene: yes, and number two, got to realize that we are a country of laws. And so, I mean, it, it still frustrates the heck outta me that you've got, we just read a story a about a, a Detroit sheriff, or the police chief in Detroit. It must have been not a sheriff, must have been a police chief in Detroit, who, um, has put [00:15:00] two officers on leave because they called ice. They had two undocumented
immigrants.
that they had arrested. And so they called ice on him and he said, that's, we are a sanctuary city. You can't do that. And these two officers are now on leave, until they figure out what to do with them. And so you, are the things that you're just going, I, that doesn't make sense to me. So again, I think there with, when it comes to immigration, there are so many different ways. And, and answers that. It's not a, you can't say 60% of people believe that they should be here and, 40% don't. It's not that easy.
nicole: in terms of this report, it seemed like immigration and the wokeness. was the hottest topics as to why people voted for Trump no matter what, what, what category they were, whether they were a Magaha liner, which is 21%, [00:16:00] or the reluctant, right, which is also like 20 or 30%.
Jolene: you think that was the, um, that was kind of the feeling after the election? Did you feel like those were the two biggest issues? Didn't we, I mean, I think we even talked about it.
nicole: You know, I, I have to be honest with you because I, one thing that made the report in the report made it really clear was how many voters were honestly holding their nose. They just didn't like Kamala, or they didn't even know Kamala. They, there was a lot of, we didn't pick her. and, and even Democrats felt that way.
Jolene: Yeah. Right.
nicole: were like, hold on. Shouldn't we have a primary if, if Biden isn't gonna run again? and so I think I, it became more clear how many people voted for Trump that were like, I didn't want her. I don't care. I just did not want her. 'cause I, that meant more Biden.
I didn't want, I didn't want that. And so that was, that was a huge aha. 'cause they also in the [00:17:00] report, have this whole grading system and like, and like any. Extreme faction of, of what you, you name it, whatever it is, like the MAGA hardliners, they are the loudest. and I'm just telling all of you listeners and viewers, they are not the majority.
And liberals, I, I beg you to understand that these people are just loud and they're passionate,
Jolene: Yeah.
nicole: right? But they're not the majority. So the ma, so the maga hardliners basically would give for everything, gave Trump as, but a lot of the reluctant rights gave if you, you could see in the grading system. And then the different was like immigration. the economy, like you name it, A lot of the reluctant rights gave them D's and F's. They're just as frustrated as the left is for the most part. And I'm not talking about the extreme left, I'm talking about the rest of us that are just frustrated.
And one thing that I [00:18:00] thought, it was in the report Which I think for liberals is real. It's a really important takeaway from this report. It's just one line. Trump has woven these desperate strands into a coalition, like people from all walks of life have voted for this guy.
That Is less united by a single vision or ideology than a shared set of frustrations and concerns. It's more of a reaction to what they've been experiencing in life and the other thing I'm gonna just put out there to our listener and viewer, all these millions of people voted for Trump in November of 24. we're recording. It is now February 19th, 2026. Things change, y'all. People change their mind. They could be psyched about 'em one month and then totally devastated the next month or the next day for that matter.
[00:19:00] Like This is not a slow role. So the fact that we as a, as liberals are constantly like, you do this, you do that, and it, you made one vote now. And there are some Republicans that have been out on the streets protesting, saying, this I didn't vote for
I think we need to, to give ourselves a tiny bit of grace and understand that. everybody has things that are important to them,
Jolene: Yes. Yes.
nicole: and
Jolene: talked about that before, that if you are a pro-life voter. It doesn't matter who the candidate is, you are going to vote for the Republican because that is the most important issue to
nicole: That's right.
Jolene: that everything else stems
nicole: That's right. the in.
Jolene: believe in gay marriage and you think that your candidate is the only one that will, you know, that will not turn that over or, you know, if there's any risk of the other person like that is, that's your issue
nicole: That's right.
Jolene: and, and we've gotta respect that,
nicole: Right. I, I, I mean, I feel that way. When we did, when we interviewed Monica Guzman and she told us the story of these [00:20:00] farmers that they voted for Trump because of that water rights bill, that urban people don't have any idea. It was like, and so we'd made these decisions, oh, you're racist and you're bad.
And they're like, no, we need our water actually. That's what we voted for. one thing that they constantly talked about the report was that this really isn't a Trump issue. This is a American issue. it's up to us like Trump is not gonna be president forever. and these people that are following this brand, if you will,
Jolene: Hmm.
nicole: they're the ones that We need to be able to talk to.
Jolene: Yeah.
nicole: I think about these younger voters who, from these, from the stats in, in the report, were not as concerned about, upholding the constitution. they only know Trump. They only know this combative style. Like that's the thing that [00:21:00] I found. A little unnerving and a little fascinating.
And the other thought was that I never thought of re of being religious as rebellious, and I am fascinated by this.
Jolene: that question. Like, I didn't even know that that question existed. Do you see, um, being part of an organized religion as a rebellious, um, act
nicole: Yes,
Jolene: people said
nicole: yes, yes. And I was, and so it just made me think, Joe, work, work with me for one second. It just made me think, okay, like in the sixties, like. I know my mom and dad grew up in a temple in a church, and that was part of your social fabric. That's just what you did. You didn't really even question it. Right?
And then the civil rights movement happened, and hippie culture happened. Not necessarily hippie culture everywhere, I don't wanna belong to a church. I don't wanna belong to a temple. I'm gonna just [00:22:00] free to be you and me it. Okay? Da. You have this group of people that are coming up like that, and now you have a between COVID and the cell phones and social media, and all these children are growing up, isolated, alone, lonely, anxious.
Depressed, if they saved up for college, that degree isn't necessarily giving them what they were promised. Like, there's a lot of reasons to me that I'm thinking with this, this is what, this is what the report gave me. It was like, hold on. Now I'm starting to understand maybe why. People wanna belong to a church or they wanna find structure or they wanna belong.
And one of the things, and this was, this is not a new idea, the Democrats abandoned the working class. They did. And if we ever wanna start winning again, Democrats, we need to start seeing everyone. [00:23:00] White people, black people, Asian people, Latinos, native Americans, all the people, if you really wanna help, that's what you need to do. and by the way, you also can go to college and, be intellectual, like it could be a party of everyone. But what's happened, I think, is that the Democrats have swung more like what you guys would call us elitist and we abandoned the working class and then you guys scooped up the working class.
But you guys are still allowed to like, make a lot of money and be successful. Why aren't we right? Like you do what I mean? It just is very black and white.
Jolene: But, but here's why. Because you championed the wokeness,
nicole: I didn't champion the wokeness.
Jolene: you. Okay.
nicole: I mean, I, I didn't even really know what that was. Uh, and that was shocking to me, Jolene, when we started this podcast. And you're like, yeah, people are pissed about the wokeness. And I'm like, what are you talking [00:24:00] about? I mean, I would experience little bits and go huh? Like I'm so old that I'm like, I don't understand what's happening. Like what is this?
Jolene: Okay. But look at what boso as a Republican, look at what we're being fed from the entertainment. Industry, I mean, watch the Dang Grammy awards and how Billie Eilish said, you know, about we're, uh, living on, on
nicole: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jolene: la and so we think that, and you know, and everybody applauds and every,
nicole: Right.
Jolene: news station, you know, had her quote the next day because that is, then, that's the perception that we have that.
Democrats?
Why are you standing on the table for these kind of issues when we need to be talking about immigration and the economy
nicole: gas prices
Jolene: healthcare and healthcare
nicole: you felt like things were being forced upon you.
Jolene: not that they were being forced upon us that Democrats didn't have a clue as to what were the important issues that were going to [00:25:00] shape America. And one of the things that in this report that we read was the woke left. The, the question was, has the woke left ruined American education, news, and entertainment? US average, not Trump voters. The US average was 41% of the people agreed with that statement that the woke left has ruined American education, news, and entertainment. That's
nicole: that way?
Jolene: Oh, absolutely. And so, but that's what we are being fed on Fox News
nicole: Right, right, right, right.
Jolene: and
nicole: Because I don't even know what drag queen story time is, and I would, and at the time I was just watching M-S-N-B-C and NPR, like all the left, left stuff, and I didn't know what that was. it sounds kind of fun to me, but I also understand why it would bother you.
nicole: here's the thing, Jolene, like I really, part of me totally agrees with you. I want this country to be a place where we can, Live freely where we [00:26:00] can pray the way we want, that we can live the way we want, that we can all live peacefully, hopefully be safe.
Uh, have a nice life, have good friends. That's it. Like, and I don't see that
Jolene: wants. No. Right? I mean, that is not, that is not
nicole: I th.
Jolene: I don't think that is a thing that is exclusive Democrat or
nicole: I don't either.
Jolene: everyone would
nicole: what?
Jolene: that.
nicole: I think Jolene, what gets troublesome is that both parties, and especially the extremes part, they shout the loudest and they want to impart their agenda on all of us.
Jolene: But I would, the Republicans would say the same thing.
nicole: Uh, no, I'm saying anything.
Jolene: say that the Democrats, right? I mean, and so that's, that's the problem is that's what we are being fed.
nicole: Correct.
Jolene: we are not being fed that, this was a question about political opponent. How many of people would agree or disagree with this [00:27:00] statement? I do not hate my political opponent.
nicole: right.
Jolene: Like that was the question. The US average was 33% of the people that agreed with that statement, either strongly or very strongly agreed with that statement. I do not hate my political opponents where Trump voters was 40 to 47% It was a scale and so those were agreed or, or strongly agreed. So 33% of the average of everyone in America believed in that statement, but a higher percentage of Trump voters. So you think these are the things that I wish more people understood because then the, the vitriol would, would. Would stop and we could, we would calm down and
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: Okay. You guys aren't as crazy as we think you are.
nicole: Right, right. But it's also part, and it was in the report as well, like the cancel, cancel culture is [00:28:00] so real
and I'll be the first to say that I think liberals don't do a great job of it. and I would suggest to my fellow liberals who I love and adore, I really like, I almost beg you to start looking at the possibility that not everyone is like us and that that's a great thing and it's a cool thing We're not gonna come together if we're just, if we're just mean to each other. That's it. Like just because I think a certain way. That doesn't mean it's the right way. And I think that, that, that's what's been happening on the left is that even with all of the quote unquote woke stuff that you guys have reacted to and that Trump called out and so it was like, oh good.
We don't have to do this stuff anymore. Right. I would. Actually say that there's a lot of us on the left that thought some of it was silly [00:29:00] or you weren't allowed to say that. I mean, listen, we get this on the socials.
Jolene: Mm-hmm.
nicole: are relentless with having to be right. my left friends and my right friends. When you start shoving your ideas down someone's throat, no one's listening.
that's where this, the, the nuance of this report was really helpful, which is what the, coming back to exactly what you said at the top of this, uh, particular episode that you found some hope I did too.
Jolene: Oh. Isn't that exciting?
nicole: it is exciting and I really like, we will put this, it's called Beyond MAGA us. Thank you Brad Portus of Bridge Grades for showing this report to us. I can't wait for the left side so I can do my quiz and we can look at that. But 'cause then also Republic, we can shed the light for our Republican audience to be like, we are not all the same.
And that doesn't mean we're [00:30:00] moderate or we're whatever. We're just who we are.
Jolene: I'm also hoping that that the more this, these conversations take place and the more. Surveys and the, and the more that we can get people to talk about, straight Arrow News and MO News and you know, the, the
nicole: tangle.
Jolene: and tangle these platforms that are made to stop the division, the more that they become the mainstream
and not the mainstream media, the more I think we are going to see a shift.
nicole: I do
Jolene: the 2028 election
nicole: do too because one thing that's great about these PO, about these platforms, Jolene, is that they respect that we're all have brains. They respect that we're all smart. They respect that. We can all figure out, we can have our own opinions. And that, that's part of the, the American experiment where Fox and M-S-N-B-C, I'm gonna call y'all out.
You are so afraid of not making enough money and you're [00:31:00] just manipulating the shit out of us. Yes, Linda, just, you all, we're all being manipulated and the sooner you actually guys wake up, it's freedom.
Jolene: Yep.
nicole: It doesn't mean you're not gonna be a Republican. No one's suggesting that you not be a Republican or being a Democrat, like, right.
What were you gonna say, Joe?
Jolene: as I've also said the last couple of months, none of this is gonna happen with Trump still in office because
nicole: You really think, you really think there's no, I mean that See right there, that, that statement makes me sad.
Jolene: I know,
nicole: Ugh.
Jolene: just saying because, because he is such a
nicole: I know.
Jolene: that I just, I feel like there like it, we need to
nicole: Well, Congress needs to step up, right? Congress needs to step up.
Jolene: And I think also with, as we start seeing candidates emerge for 2028, it'll be interesting to see who takes on
nicole: Mm-hmm.
Jolene: the, the different, um, type of [00:32:00] language
and who tries to bring people together.
nicole: the other part of this report was like, two thirds of the country are an exhausted man, uh, majority. And I was, and that was positive.
Jolene: James Teleco, did you see that he got two point, he raised $2.5 million in the last five days or something like that
nicole: And no p. No packs. No packs. Yep. Yep, yep.
Jolene: it's
nicole: Alright. It's happening. This is exciting. This is exciting. Alright.
nicole: Shall we do a, would you rather my darling?
Jolene: Yes, please.
nicole: Okay. Would you like to go?
Jolene: Okay,
would you rather have to take a final in a class that you never showed up for
nicole: God.
Jolene: all semester and forgot that you dropped the class and you never bought the book, all of a sudden you had to find out, take the final, or show up at the airport without any pants on. [00:33:00] These are the two reoccurring dreams that I have a lot and I don't know why. I would love for if there are any therapists, uh, out there to tell me why are these the two dreams that I have
nicole: Well, that's amazing. 'cause when you said the, the, the, um, showing up for a test that you dropped the class, I was like, that's an actor's nightmare. I have the actor's nightmare, which is you have to go on stage and you don't know. What the play is. You didn't, you don't know what the lines are. I mean, and that's a reoccurring dream for all actors.
I've had it so many times. It seems like it's exactly what showing up for a test is and not knowing it's the same sort of thing.
Jolene: yeah.
nicole: Um, and walk showing
Jolene: showing up at the airport without any pants? And I've got a suitcase, but I've already checked it and I'm like, wait, can I get my suitcase and put some pants on?
nicole: because
Jolene: just,
nicole: think you should actually fess up to why. You're a sec. You're a [00:34:00] secret nudist. You're a nudist.
Jolene: I want to go through,
nicole: Yeah.
Jolene: go through, I just wanna make it easier for
nicole: You're a Republican. Nudist.
Jolene: I don't think so.
nicole: Uh, I would say I'm gonna go with going into the class because I'll just make that shit up. It is, is what it is. I really don't wanna walk into the airport without any pants on. It might be cold, and then you have to sit on things, blah.
Jolene: Right. Well, wouldn't you just go into a store and buy I don't know why. In my dream, why don't I just go into a store and buy some pants?
nicole: next time you have this dream, let me know if you do that.
Jolene: Okay, maybe I need to like start thinking that.
nicole: That's right. That's right. And if you don't, then really you are a nudist.
Jolene: Okay.
nicole: Okay. Wouldn't that be an interesting twist?
Would you rather clean up someone else's vomit or someone else's blood?
Jolene: Oh, [00:35:00] blood 100%.
nicole: Yeah,
Jolene: vomit.
nicole: the smell.
Jolene: Doesn't that remind you of our freshman year at our first football game
nicole: Oh my God.
Jolene: there and all of a sudden the guy behind us threw up and he had just eaten a hot dog at like, uh,
nicole: So gross. And you st. You still,
Jolene: it.
nicole: there you go.
Jolene: Mm. So blood, I can do all day
nicole: yeah. Yeah.
Alright, everybody,
Jolene: Or
nicole: uh, thank you. Thank you Joe. Uh, thank you listener and viewer. Uh, please like, subscribe and follow. Uh, if you have any ideas for topics, please come, go to our website. We've got to talk.com and leave a message on our contact page or on YouTube, some of our actually. Best, topics, most received episodes have been from listener and viewer ideas. So do it.
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Jolene: thank you for
nicole: Thank you. Uh, bye-Bye.
Jolene: Bye-bye.
