Jimmy Kimmel Censored: Is Free Speech Dead in America?
Jimmy Kimmel got pulled off ABC after making comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination, and honestly, it's left us both feeling unsettled about where America is heading. Whether you thought his jokes were inappropriate or not, the speed at which he disappeared from television should concern everyone.
Today we're talking about what this means for free speech, why comedy matters in a democracy, and whether we're crossing lines we can't un-cross.
I (Nicole) watched this whole situation unfold with growing alarm. When the FCC chair threatens a broadcaster and hours later that broadcaster pulls a comedian off the air, that's not a coincidence, that's cause and effect. And that should terrify anyone who values free speech, regardless of whether you found Kimmel's comments offensive.
Jolene's perspective was more measured. She pointed out that private companies have the right to make business decisions based on what their audiences want. But even she admitted that when those decisions happen immediately after government threats, it raises serious questions about independence and pressure.
This whole situation got us thinking about who gets to decide what's appropriate to say in America? Should it be the government? Corporate executives? Advertisers? Or should it be individual Americans making choices about what they want to watch and hear?
The beauty of free speech isn't that everyone says things we agree with; it's that people can say things we disagree with, and we get to respond, debate, or simply change the channel. When we start silencing voices because they're offensive or inappropriate, we're moving away from the principles that made America unique.
Comedians have always been society's truth-tellers, the ones willing to say what everyone else is thinking but afraid to voice. They push boundaries, challenge authority, and force us to examine uncomfortable truths about ourselves and our leaders.
I (Nicole) grew up watching comedians mock every president. I feel like that’s what they're supposed to do. The moment we decide certain topics or people are off-limits to comedy, we've fundamentally changed what free expression means in this country.
Jolene agrees that comedy serves an important function, even when it makes us uncomfortable. The question isn't whether Kimmel's timing was appropriate, it's whether government officials should have the power to pressure broadcasters into removing content they don't like.
What worries us most is where this leads. If government pressure can get comedians pulled off television for making jokes about politicians' responses to current events, what's next? Do we start evaluating all entertainment content for political acceptability? Do writers have to run their scripts past government censors?
The precedent being set here is dangerous. Today, it's Jimmy Kimmel, tomorrow it could be any comedian, journalist, or citizen who dares to criticize those in power. Once we accept that government pressure can silence speech, we've opened a door that's very hard to close.
This country was founded on the radical idea that people should be free to speak their minds, especially when those in power don't like what they're saying. The First Amendment wasn't written to protect popular speech; it was written to protect unpopular speech, offensive speech, speech that makes people uncomfortable.
We've both traveled to countries where government controls media content, where comedians can't make jokes about political leaders, where citizens have to watch what they say. It's not a world any of us want to live in. But that's the direction we're heading when government officials can threaten broadcasters into removing content.
The Kimmel situation isn't really about one comedian or one set of jokes. It's about whether we still believe in the principles that made America different from everywhere else. It's about whether we trust citizens to make their own decisions about what to watch and hear, or whether we think government officials should make those decisions for us.
We don't have to agree with everything comedians say to defend their right to say it. We don't have to find their jokes funny to recognize that their freedom to make those jokes is essential to our democracy. And we don't have to like their politics to understand that silencing them makes all of us less free.
resources mentioned:
Primary Content: Jimmy Kimmel Full Monologue: https://youtu.be/c1tjh_ZO_tY?si=PE5hOO6xlCo-IuBO
News and Analysis:
The Guardian - Pentagon Journalist Restrictions: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/20/pentagon-journalists-restrictions-pledge?CMP=share_btn_url
FOX News 9 Minneapolis/St Paul - Amy Hockert: https://youtu.be/8-koyY2Zoxc?si=i5vhmKdE4ui0f931
Podcast Content:
Ted Cruz The Verdict: https://youtu.be/l6KYixCBTJc?si=YUdU5Lp0R2QqwTLt
The Katie Miller Podcast with Pam Bondi: https://youtu.be/4LRPHxSrLTE?si=4rb_p3k1YzU9z7bf
Articles and Opinion:
Builders Movement - Free Speech Double Standard: https://buildersmovement.org/2025/09/24/free-speech-double-standard/
Good For The Soul:
Good for the Soul - AOC and Chip Roy Restore Trust In Congress Act: https://youtu.be/ag2N9QpioWg?si=NpQQA7ZSBavtHlyT
Rep Chip Roy on Congressional Stock Trading Ban and US Gov't stake in Intel: https://youtu.be/tHrSNy7YklI?si=h4kLr0EWkoUkuiBw
The Progress Network:https://theprogressnetwork.org/electrotech-child-poverty-mobile-money/
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[00:00:00] Nicole: Hello. Uh, just before we start, uh, our next episode we wanted to jump on because, We recently, as in last week, aired the Guns and Gun Control episode, and when we released the second snippet, which was yesterday, there was an enormous amount of backlash about a statistic that Jolene mentioned, uh, comparing, uh, gun deaths to knife deaths. so I'll let you take it from here, Jolene.
[00:00:31] Jolene: Oh sure. Make me do the apology.
[00:00:34] Nicole: No, I'm happy. Like I feel like it's a team effort because here's the thing, when that, when you had that statistic or when you said that statistic, it was so, I just, I said, what? And, and I said, where did you get that? And you, and you said, USA facts. And usually we've got to talkers after every record. We hang up and, and I always, this happens every time I go [00:01:00] through and review the entire episode, you know, make our, get our resources together, put everything together.
[00:01:08] Nicole: And honestly, I am, I'm as equally
[00:01:11] Jolene: No, you're not. I,
[00:01:13] Nicole: but, but I didn't catch it.
[00:01:15] Jolene: Okay, so let me just start by saying, I apologize. I apologize to our listener and our viewer because I. Um, I gave you a, a statement. I gave a statement, I gave data that I said was true and I thought it was true. Um, and it was not. It was completely wrong. And so, first and foremost, I apologize for saying that there were more stabbing deaths, um, were deaths due to stabbings in the United States than there were from gun, uh, gun related deaths, which is not true.
[00:01:50] Jolene: There are more gun deaths, um, and if I could just explain what I think happened and I went back through my notes and, and where I came up with the, with the [00:02:00] information. and I think if you take out that 53% or 55%, oh shoot, now I don't even know of deaths.
[00:02:08] Jolene: Uh, from guns are suicide, and I think the article that I was citing took those numbers out and then tried to compare even when you do that it, that that statement is still not true. So. First and foremost, I apologize and I, and I think it's really important to apologize because I want you to be able to trust what we're saying.
[00:02:29] Jolene: I know what we are doing here is, is hard and you know, to have, as we are dear friends, having tough conversations where we know that we don't agree with the other person. But that's the whole intent of this, is that we can trust what each other says because we have respect for each other. So I want you to be able to respect what we're saying, um, in these podcasts.
[00:02:52] Jolene: So I apologize. Please accept my apology for, for giving you, um, information that was not true. [00:03:00] Now
[00:03:00] Nicole: Hmm.
[00:03:02] Jolene: it was my fault. So, so you keep your mouth shut.
[00:03:08] Nicole: But, but all to say, we all do it. And I think what's really important is that Jolene and I are not, uh, journalists, we are not pundits, we are friends trying to have really difficult conversations. We will be, we will do better when we start, uh, spewing off statistics. Because we, we, as you said to me the other day, we'd, we're not trying to do fake news here.
[00:03:36] Nicole: We are trying to really unravel and connect with each other we're asking you all to also do this in your own way with your friends and your family and people that you don't agree with. We, we are human and we all make mistakes, and the most important thing here we've got to talk, is that we give each other [00:04:00] grace.
[00:04:00] Nicole: We love each other. We, if we knew you, we love you too. And we'd give you grace because we all make mistakes and I don't think we do that enough in the society these days. And I think it's really, really important to also just acknowledge when you do make a mistake and take responsibility for that 'cause I really like that in a person.
[00:04:23] Jolene: I agree and I also think that, you know, as we are trying to have a conversation with each other and, and trying to set an example and, and maybe trying to start a movement where others are doing the same, it, I think it's important for us to realize that. In conversations. We don't fact each other fact check each other.
[00:04:43] Jolene: We, when you have a conversation with a friend, whether you're having a glass of wine or a cup of coffee and, and you're having a conversation, you have to trust what that other person is saying because that's how a conversation goes. And Nicole, you've always done such a good job of saying to me. [00:05:00] Uh, where did you get that?
[00:05:02] Jolene: And so I've, I've learned to not just, you know, spew something that I've heard someone say on Twitter or X, like, I, I have to be able to back it up. And so I think, um, you've, you've made me accountable for things that I say. which again goes to having a really good dialogue with someone is being able to not just repeat something that you've heard from your biased news source, but to be able to say, no.
[00:05:32] Jolene: I, I looked at the stats and I know this to be true because as we have said so many times, a lot of the information that we're fed is, is just to. Continue to propagate this, you know, this narrative that one side or the other is, is really trying to push. So, um, you know, I, I think that's the other thing that we're trying to do.
[00:05:55] Nicole: Yes, and paying attention to the media, paying attention to the algorithms, [00:06:00] understanding that a lot of people will see one snippet and they will say. That's the truth. And we are trying to encourage each other as friends and you all as community members, uh, to get curious. and if you don't agree with someone, you don't have to yell at them.
[00:06:22] Nicole: You don't have to say, you know, prove it to me. Just say, huh. Well. Can we all look it up together and see what you are getting and see what I'm getting? Because then it really is an enlightening experience when you do that it not only empowers you, it empowers the person you're speaking to and it makes you more, and it might sound corny, but more of his teammates than as enemies and trying to figure this out together.
[00:06:53] Jolene: So we, I would also like to say thank you to the people that pointed out that I was wrong. You know, with that, getting that [00:07:00] feedback, um, is we've said it, we say it at the end of every podcast. Let us know what you think. Let us know if you agree. Let us know if you think differently. and so I really appreciate people.
[00:07:12] Jolene: I mean, some of you didn't have to be so mean about it, but, um, I do appreciate. Letting us know when we screw things up, um, in a kind and gentle manner, as friends would so that, because that, that shows us that you are interested in what we're talking about and, and that you have, um, an interest in, in what's going on in this dialogue that's going along.
[00:07:38] Jolene: So, um, we appreciate it. We really do.
[00:07:41] Nicole: We really do and thank you very much for continuing to listen and watch, and we hope you will enjoy this upcoming episode on censorship.
[00:07:52] Nicole: She's a conservative and I'm liberal, and yet we've been friends for almost 40 years. Everyone says you shouldn't discuss politics, [00:08:00] religion, or money. And we say, that's exactly what friends should be talking about. Join us as we tackle the conversations you're having in your head, but are too scared to say out loud.
[00:08:11] Jolene: Let's talk about, censorship.
[00:08:15] Nicole: Yes. Let's talk about censorship.
[00:08:17] Jolene: so much has happened. I, I feel like we say that every, every
[00:08:21] Nicole: but it seems like it's true.
[00:08:23] Jolene: as we have developed, as we've kind of gone from the Charlie Kirk, memorial, I think that's really kind of when, um, we started to talk about what's, what else is going on in, in the world.
[00:08:36] Jolene: And that's when Trump, I'm, so, I, I mean, can I just first say, the memorial I thought
[00:08:43] Nicole: Oh gosh.
[00:08:44] Jolene: was such a great, it was so beautiful and, and the fact that we had so many, um, from the administration there and the cabinet members and, um, it was just, it was such a beautiful ceremony. It was a beautiful memorial for Charlie Kirk, [00:09:00] and the fact they pulled it off in seven days was, you know, was great. and had it ended after Erica, Kirk got up and said, you know, I forgive the shooter. This, these are my Christian values, and I know that's what Charlie would want. And, you know, no matter how hard it is, had it ended right there, gosh, we would've all gone out into the world going, okay, there is hope.
[00:09:21] Jolene: There is hope, but I'll be damned if Trump didn't get up there and just talk like Trump does. And, uh, this is the thing that I do not like about him. And you know that I am on the Trump wagon once again.
[00:09:36] Nicole: Once again, or for the first time,
[00:09:38] Jolene: well, I, I keep kind of, I, I keep getting off of the, the
[00:09:43] Nicole: you keep falling off the wagon and then falling, getting
[00:09:46] Jolene: And then I get back on and I walk around a little bit at the train station, and then I get back on, I go, wait, no.
[00:09:52] Jolene: I went, no, no, no, no. Wait. I'll get back on. And then we go a little bit further down the road and I'm like, Nope, I need a break. I gotta get off. I need to go get a coffee. And so I get off the [00:10:00] train again. And so anyway, I, I'm like, dude, stick to the script. Stick to the script. Somebody has written a really beautiful thing for you.
[00:10:10] Jolene: Please. And God, he goes off and you're like, you're read the room, you're losing it. People have been here for five hours now, or four hours, and you're saying things that don't have anything to do with why we're all watching this. And so it just, it bugs me. He's such a narcissist that he can't help himself.
[00:10:30] Nicole: Well, I mean, you know, first of all, I, we had been recording a podcast that day and I guess you had watched part of the memorial and finished watching it, and I didn't see any of it. I heard clips. I heard about Erica's speech, um, and how she forgave the shooter and how elegant and. Heart forward. She was, and even in liberal media, [00:11:00] they were reporting it that way.
[00:11:03] Nicole: And then how Trump got up there and, and I remember texting you saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's saying like, I'm not like Charlie. I hate my, my opponents, or,
[00:11:20] Nicole: I can't remember the exact phrasing, but it was like, and he kept saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And people are never sorry when they say things like that, like they're not sorry.
[00:11:29] Nicole: They just know that what they're saying is so outlandish that they have to say, I'm sorry, so that it sounds less outlandish, and yet it was out outlandish. But we're talking about censorship today and whether it means what went on with Kimmel, what's going on with the press, what's going on, what.
[00:11:49] Nicole: We could, we could make it an even broader statement about like, which Jolene and I, you and I have talked about in so many episodes thus far, far that [00:12:00] we are really more that like strongly encouraging you to stop getting mad at the other side. What you are seeing, it's a form of censorship. They are only editing what they want you to see.
[00:12:14] Nicole: You are not seeing everything. Right. That to me is a sense, is a, is a part of the censorship problem, is that, I see three minutes of this speech and six minutes of that speech, whatever's gonna, uh, make my liberal brain react. That's what I'm, that's what I'm getting fed and vice versa with you, what you are getting fed like, I can't say it enough. I, we have so, so much to talk about today, and I wanna give shout outs to people who are, whether they are the right or the left that are stepping up.
[00:12:51] Nicole: And, speaking through the noise, really understanding what's going on here. why don't you start Jolene [00:13:00] with the Jimmy Kimmel, uh, controversy, if you will. I don't watch Jimmy Kimmel. Do you watch Jimmy Kimmel?
[00:13:06] Jolene: I used to, I probably 10 years ago, that would, that would be part of our bedtime routine. Watch the news and then go into Jimmy
[00:13:16] Jolene: Kimmel And
[00:13:17] Nicole: Kimmel was your person
[00:13:18] Jolene: Yes. Of all the light. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Of all the late night shows. He was the one that we would watch. but then it just got to be probably within the last five years, it got to be so political and he was so, um, just so anti-Republican that it wasn't funny anymore and it wasn't enjoyable to watch.
[00:13:39] Jolene: And so we would either. We would either turn it off or, I mean, let's be honest now, I, if I can stay up till 10 30 is a miracle. So, um, so, uh, we usually turn it off before the end of the news even so, I used to be a Jimmy Kimmel fan because I thought he was funny and had good stuff and Guillermo was his guy [00:14:00] and they had the shtick and you know, blah blah blah. but when it got so political, I'm like, nah, I'm done. But it's the same, it's the same thing that I've done with Saturday Night Live. I mean, like, used, used to be a big Saturday Night Live watcher, and then when I think when Trump won the first time, they got so, so liberal and so anti-Trump that it was like, nah, I am not gonna watch anymore.
[00:14:23] Jolene: 'cause it wasn't funny. I wish that comedians were funny again. And, and these late night shows, whether it be SNL or or the, the talk shows. I wish that they would find things that were funny again, instead of all of it being political
[00:14:41] Nicole: cause I think that they've always, you know, made fun of whom, whomever is in the administration. I think it's just gotten really ugly.
[00:14:49] Nicole: and maybe mean and why you feel as a conservative, as alienated
[00:14:55] Jolene: but even if they were, you know, there were so many SNL skits about Biden, don't know.
[00:14:59] Nicole: [00:15:00] Oh, you didn't like it. You didn't like any of it? Any of the
[00:15:02] Nicole: poli political stuff.
[00:15:04] Jolene: Maybe it's just easier, maybe it's easier and they're lazy and so it's easier to, um, to just write about politics because that's gonna get people revved up instead of really trying to find something funny,
[00:15:17] Nicole: but I always remember on SNL they had, didn't Dana Carvey do George w
[00:15:21] Jolene: Yeah. But, but yes. And that used to be a part of it, right? I mean, there would be some of those
[00:15:28] Nicole: thing is what you're saying.
[00:15:30] Jolene: correct.
[00:15:30] Nicole: I see, I see,
[00:15:32] Jolene: Did you, have you watched, I mean, have you, have you watched?
[00:15:36] Nicole: I don't watch Jimmy Kimmel, I don't watch any of the late night shows. Sometimes I watch John Oliver every once in a while and it just kind of makes me upset. so if you don't watch Jimmy Kimmel as I don't, I am guessing you did not watch the monologue live, the ones that, that he got into trouble for.
[00:15:55] Jolene: Right. Okay. did you see, the monologue last [00:16:00] night when he came back on the air?
[00:16:01] Jolene: No. Didn't watch it and conscientiously did not watch it.
[00:16:04] Nicole: I didn't either and then I did this morning.
[00:16:08] Jolene: you watched the whole thing and so I just saw snippets of it.
[00:16:11] Nicole: well, and this is the problem in my opinion. Okay, so a couple things in terms of what he said that Monday night where he said, the MAGA gang is trying to, blame.
[00:16:25] Jolene: look like it's somebody who is not their own.
[00:16:29] Nicole: Thank you. And but it, and it was the way they said it, the way he said it, the way maybe the writer's room said it, whoever wrote this monologue, who, whoever said that, it was such a vague statement that you're like, what are you talking about? Because part of it, Joe, I have so many thoughts. I was in Utah the day that Charlie Kirk was killed. I was 45 minutes north and the way Utah was reporting it was the [00:17:00] clearest I've ever heard it. they were really clear about, first of all, who they, they didn't know who it was. And then when they caught this kid, they said his parents were Republican. He grew up LDS.
[00:17:15] Nicole: This kid ha has never been registered. He's never voted. Like they were just like telling the facts. They weren't immediately like the rest of the world. He did it. No, he did it. It's your fault. It's your fault. It's your fault. then I come back to real World, New York, whatever, and people are like, no, it's the, it's the crazy, uh, left that killed him.
[00:17:42] Nicole: The them. I'm like, no, it's this kid that's totally sick. The kid did it like. Okay. Yes, there are bullets and all the things, but everything is speculation. And this kid has been, as [00:18:00] the, the, the Utah and, um, authorities has said completely uncooperative will not say anything. His partner that is being, you know, outed left and right as a trans person in the Utah media is saying, this person has been the most cooperative and in completely complete shock that their partner did this.
[00:18:26] Nicole: So, you know, I'm hearing this and then Jimmy Kimmel says this really weird, vague statement and I'm like, well, the right didn't do it. Liberal person's going. I didn't even go the right to, I just was like, what does that mean? That doesn't make any sense. But it was vague enough that the right, the partisan, like hyper, let me let you know, meaning the media.
[00:18:57] Nicole: Oh my God. That's what he [00:19:00] meant. He's blaming it on us like we would do it. And it just became this huge finger pointing thing What did you think, Joe? Like what were your, did you interpret it the way a lot of the right was interpreting it, or did you understand what he was saying? Just breaking down that first comment
[00:19:23] Jolene: you're right that it was, it was kind of convoluted, but it was that, you know, the fact that he said, um, the mega group is trying to paint this as anybody else but
[00:19:36] Nicole: Right, right,
[00:19:37] Jolene: He was trying to say this is a mega person and they're trying everything that they can to paint it as something other than their own,
[00:19:47] Nicole: right. And I'm watching it and well, it didn't make any sense 'cause the kid wasn't maga
[00:19:53] Jolene: Right, right. I
[00:19:56] Nicole: it. Like, and, and to me it was like, oh my gosh, as the [00:20:00] liberal, I was like, what are you doing? Stop. Stop. Just
[00:20:05] Jolene: when I hear something like that though, I'm like, okay, number one, I come in with a preconceived notion that anything that Jimmy Kimmel is gonna say is going to be from the left and is gonna be, you know, inflammatory and um, you know, whatever. So when I hear, you know, the headline is he's, you know, been put on leave or whatever the term was,
[00:20:28] Jolene: And they show the thing. You're like, oh, okay. That, that makes sense. And it didn't shock me because I just know that he has anti right rhetoric. So you're like, okay.
[00:20:41] Nicole: you didn't think pulling him off the air. What about free speech?
[00:20:44] Jolene: No. So I did think pulling him off the air was a big deal. Like he's done something incriminating enough that they, that they've pulled him off the air. so then it gets into the whole free speech thing. Can you say these things? And my [00:21:00] question from the very beginning though was, Was it ABC or was it the local affiliates that were going, this is the straw that broke the camel's back, like, we're tired of him insulting half of America.
[00:21:14] Jolene: So, um, this is, this was the last straw kind of like, I mean, we can go back to me, Kelly. had her show on NBC and she makes a reference about, do you remember this about, it was a Halloween time. And she goes, I don't get, if this is, if, if it's racist to be a white person in black face or a black person in white face, I don't understand.
[00:21:39] Jolene: If you're dressing up in a costume, why that is seen as offensive. And people went, wow. And she got canceled. She got fired. So it's like, was she on the verge of getting canceled or was her show not doing well anyway? Or, you know, all the other things that you're, that you think. [00:22:00] You know, are we getting the whole story here and, and does somebody want to make this the issue?
[00:22:05] Jolene: Like that's the issue that got, that was the comment that got Jimmy Kimmel suspended, or that is the comment that got Meghan Kelly fired. But was it really? I mean, you know, were there other things that led up to that? And that was the straw that broke the Campbell's back.
[00:22:18] Nicole: Well, it's, I think it's really interesting that it happened because now all of us are sort of on the left and the right are on high alert about, well, what is free speech? What is censorship, what is hate speech? And I'll tell you, miss Jolene, I have listened to a lot of conservatives this week and I can't wait to tell you about it.
[00:22:39] Jolene: Ooh, I So, and partially is because you, you were like, well, did you hear what Pam Bondy said? And I was like, huh. So I had my first, uh, dip into the Katie Miller podcast to,
[00:22:57] Jolene: I don't know who Katie Miller is.
[00:22:58] Nicole: well, oh my [00:23:00] gosh. She is Steven Miller's wife and she has a podcast,
[00:23:04] Jolene: Oh, okay.
[00:23:05] Nicole: Pam Bonde went on that podcast and this is where she got into trouble.
[00:23:10] Nicole: And she says. We will absolutely target people for hate speech. Hate speech is not free speech. And people went wild
[00:23:21] Jolene: Mm-hmm.
[00:23:22] Nicole: you're getting, so now what is also happening is you have the all these people of power saying stuff that isn't true, but then people are believing them. And so everyone is getting who, everyone who's not a constitutional scholar is getting confused.
[00:23:39] Nicole: So what is that? And so what I also listened to the verdict, the podcast that Ted Cruz hosts. Mm-hmm.
[00:23:50] Jolene: Okay. Didn't know that.
[00:23:52] Nicole: And he was thrilled that Kimmel was off the air. He hates him. [00:24:00] He thinks he's not funny, but he said. Hate speech is free speech. And he is like, that's his, um, I, he was a, uh, constitutional clerk, like that's his jam.
[00:24:15] Nicole: So he says, if government gets involved, that is incredibly dangerous. And so one thing that I wanted to bring up was that I think because of like us getting slammed us, meaning Americans getting slammed from the right and the left with all these clips, clips, clips, clips all day on social media, how Aurora we get are bits of news and everything is edited.
[00:24:42] Nicole: Just so and so. I am hearing this really convoluted Kimmel, you know, statement why, and then he gets pulled off the air Oh, you know what? Let me start with this. so today I was like, how are we tackling this? And I Googled [00:25:00] what did Jimmy Kimmel do wrong?
[00:25:02] Jolene: Hmm.
[00:25:03] Nicole: And I wanna shout out to a, to Fox News nine in Minneapolis, St. Paul. This reporter Amy Hackert, and she interviewed, uh, professor, um, at the University of Minnesota. She's the director of Media Ethics and Law at the center, at the University of Minnesota. It explains the First Amendment so clearly and civilly and in a respectful, non-partisan way. I was shocked. I was shocked because, uh, still even doing this podcast eight months in and looking at Fox every once in a while, I was like, this is a responsible reporter. She didn't lean anyway.
[00:25:46] Nicole: She just was like, can you please explain how this works? And she talked about the FCC and she talked about the local affiliates, and I'm gonna put this link in the show notes so that you all can understand what's going on [00:26:00] because there's so many moving parts and we don't really. Don't. Why would we know this is not our specialty?
[00:26:05] Nicole: We, we live our life, right? And then every moment we're getting hit with a new controversy. And so all of a sudden we either you and I are trying to actually figure, uh, learn about it, or you just go on with your day and you make these decisions. Like, oh, he leans left. He's, he's a jerk. Forget him, blah, blah.
[00:26:22] Nicole: Or Oh my God, my free speech, blah, blah, blah. And then you go in with your day, right? and so to say, I was with you, Joe, that I was like kind of annoyed by the whole thing. I was like, I can't believe they've pulled him off the air, but I totally didn't understand his comments. And then they're putting men back on the air and that he was going back on last night. And I chose like, you actually not to see it. Not, I was like, Ugh, I can't be bothered. Well, so this morning I decide, you know what? What we're doing this episode, [00:27:00] I need to inform myself, and I'm gonna put this in the show notes because Jolene, this monologue is I think 18 minutes.
[00:27:11] Jolene: Oh wow.
[00:27:13] Nicole: And I am so angry because both the right and the left only cut out baby clips that could prove their point.
[00:27:24] Nicole: And they forgot. That makes me so mad. They cut out. he said, I think it was, I think I wrote down the timestamp. So for you guys that just wanna fast forward, I think it's at 4 49. For two minutes, 4 49 to 6 25. Jimmy Kimmel says, I also want to thank all the people that don't agree with me.
[00:27:46] Nicole: He shouted out to Ben Shapiro, to Candace Owens, to Ted Cruz, to Clay Travis, who I had to look up, uh, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul for [00:28:00] speaking up for, for free speech that you don't have to like what I say, but thank you for speaking up for that. And I'm thinking, why isn't that making the news?
[00:28:12] Jolene: Holy cow. I had not heard
[00:28:13] Nicole: Holy, holy cow. And then You know, they highlighted that he cried, that he about the, that he didn't mean it to be about Charlie Kirk's murder. I think some, some highlighted that he, you know, said Erica Kirk was how you should, or we should all learn from her example.
[00:28:37] Nicole: but he said, he has a lot of friends that are on the other side and he loves them and that, he understands that the murderer, uh, doesn't represent the right. That this was a sick individual who caused this violent act and that he doesn't believe that violence is ever the [00:29:00] answer. and none of this was ever highlighted in any clip I ever saw.
[00:29:06] Nicole: And so it
[00:29:07] Nicole: just made
[00:29:08] Nicole: you did see that part. Okay. So it just made me think, what are we doing here? Like, what is happening?
[00:29:14] Jolene: so he was put back on the air, however, two of the affiliates, Nexstar and Sinclair Media did not, did not put him back on the air,
[00:29:24] Nicole: That's right, that's
[00:29:26] Jolene: which
[00:29:27] Jolene: I think they represented like 23% of the, of the a, b, C viewing
[00:29:32] Nicole: yeah, it says 30 markets, um, which is a lot of the South and Midwest, but I heard Portland, salt Lake City, 20% of the country, 20, 23% of the country did not, are not, he's not going back on the air, which I feel like is a total shame because it's just another way to define us.
[00:29:51] Jolene: okay, so then I go back to, was this just the straw that broke the camel's back because, and no offense to camel's, but is [00:30:00] this really, was that part of, sorry?
[00:30:04] Nicole: So you're saying like these affiliates that they're like, Ugh, we don't want 'em
[00:30:09] Jolene: like his ratings were down?
[00:30:11] Nicole: Well check it out. Girl. Jolene, his weight, his ratings, I mean, who knows how long it'll last, but they are through the roof. It's four
[00:30:20] Nicole: times the, for the last night. For last night.
[00:30:23] Jolene: Yes. Yes.
[00:30:25] Jolene: Because everybody wanted to see what he was gonna say. And I get that, but, Jimmy Kimmel's show has 650,000 fewer viewers than Stephen Colbert, who's also been canceled. And I look at this then from a business perspective and go, well wait a second.
[00:30:41] Jolene: If I'm, if I'm trying to sell advertising during this time slot, and the viewerships are going down further, further and further. And like you, a lot of people aren't watching networks anymore, right? I mean, people are streaming and they're not paying to watch. Um, you know, they'd rather pay for streaming than [00:31:00] to to pay for broadcast television.
[00:31:02] Jolene: So when the FCC, chairman is he the FCC Chairman.
[00:31:07] Jolene: Came out and kind Yes. And kind of said, well, we could, you know, we could do it the easy way or the hard way. And you're like, again, I go back,
[00:31:16] Nicole: Ted Cruz called him a
[00:31:17] Nicole: mafioso. that?
[00:31:19] Jolene: Right? I mean, that's, that's from Goodfellows, right? I mean, that's a line from, you know, like, why would you say that?
[00:31:26] Nicole: But Jolene, so here's a question for you. Is it concerning to you that, that that's the reason that he said something they don't like, so they pull him off?
[00:31:36] Jolene: so that's what I'm saying. I don't think they, I don't think Sinclair and Nexstar didn't have chosen not to continue to air him because of that comment. I think this was their opportunity to say, half of America doesn't like the show anymore. We are not going, and this, this isn't, this is something for us to then say, Nope, we're not gonna, we don't even want to air [00:32:00] it. so is that a message? I mean, is that a message to Hollywood then? Like, if you are, if you are going to have such partisan. commentary or partisan, um, dialogues or monologues, then, um, we're just not interested anymore. Like, that's not good TV for us
[00:32:18] Nicole: but, but he should be allowed to say what he wants to say,
[00:32:22] Jolene: Well, I then you go into broadcast networks
[00:32:28] Jolene: or that with the licensing, Right. So if you wanna say that stuff, be like me Kelly, or Bill Maher, or, you know, whoever your guy is that you watch on HBO, you can, you can go and say those things on those networks. You can't do it on,
[00:32:45] Nicole: But we've always been able to say, other than swearing where people get fined on the FCC, I would be paying so many fines.
[00:32:54] Jolene: Oh my gosh. You, we'd be canceled.[00:33:00]
[00:33:00] Nicole: but, um,
[00:33:02] Nicole: thank you doll. Like, but, the FCC usually in the past, like swearing has been a thing, but comedians are allowed, allowed to be comedians. So this is to me, where it starts to get into tricky waters when an administration, I know they get picked on a lot and I, and, and I know he doesn't have a big, a tough, a thick skin and he doesn't like being picked on.
[00:33:32] Nicole: I mean, who does? But when You're
[00:33:33] Jolene: You're talking about Trump.
[00:33:34] Nicole: I'm talking about Trump. So, I mean, he can choose not to watch it too. like, I do hear your point, but I just feel like we're getting into real tricky waters here.
[00:33:45] Jolene: I would agree. And when he came out and he said, well, I don't think anybody that says anything bad about the president should be, should be allowed to say that again. Trumpety so many good things, dude. You're, I mean, you're [00:34:00] doing a lot of good things. Just
[00:34:01] Jolene: stick to the script and do the things. Uh, I would not butter his muffin at all. Mm-hmm. No, I would not. No. Just do the things that you're really good at doing and quit all this other crap. But he's such a narcissist that he can't. But now what is the right done, the right is now comparing this to, wait a second, liberals. You didn't like it when we were, talking about the vaccine and being an anti-vaxxer and saying, you know, ivermectin was okay and blah, blah, blah. And, and so now the right is bringing up the whole legal battle that was between the Biden administration and Google and Facebook and YouTube you know, that, that we were being silenced you know, all of the, the posts that were taken down or that were, and people that were actually blocked.
[00:34:58] Jolene: And that's when Elon [00:35:00] bought Twitter and the whole deal. So like, Democrats didn't like free speech then, but now they're all about the free speech.
[00:35:08] Nicole: there was a really good opinion piece. Do you know the, we've talked about the builders movement, builders
[00:35:15] Nicole: movement.org. I'll put them in the show notes. They're really wonderful you guys. Um, they are a bipartisan, let's figure this out.
[00:35:25] Nicole: Equal Republicans and Democrats working together, um, to turn down the noise. And there was a really great opinion piece today, about censorship. I'm just gonna read a little bit. It says, both sides have used political power to shut down what they don't like. Quote my side equals freedom your side equals oppression. That kind of framing turns free speech into partisan tug of war instead of a shared value, which I thought was really interesting because both [00:36:00] sides do it. And when we start to actually take responsibility for that, and, you know, liberals could say, well, we didn't want that information out because we were afraid it would spread COVID or, or it was gonna hurt you. So say it. So say that. Just be honest. Say it. I mean, you could not like it, but at least we'd have a discussion instead of everybody's like, there's just these, like whether the, it doesn't matter. It's the right or the left. You're pulling strings like a puppet for what works for you. And oh, this is free speech.
[00:36:42] Nicole: But this isn't free speech. It's all free speech. But I get what, what gets concerning is when the government starts. I mean, and it's so interesting, Jolene, like this government truly doesn't feel very [00:37:00] Republican. I don't know what you would call it, because they're up in everybody's business. Whether it's, um, and I don't know if you feel that way, but like, I don't want the government deciding what I can and can't watch on television. I don't want, the government. Telling me what I can't eat or can't. I mean, they're just, they're in our business do you feel that way? They're in our streets. They're
[00:37:26] Nicole: in, did you see the thing about speaking of censorship, did you see over the weekend, um, Pete Haze announcing that? the press has access to the Pentagon a different, uh, news, news associ, uh, affiliates. And pre this administration, these news or the press had free reign to walk around the Pentagon and ask questions and see what was going on. And just over the weekend. Uh, Pete [00:38:00] Hegseth announced that the Pentagon is demanding that journalists sign a pledge, that they are no longer allowed to even report on unclassified information without it being okayed.
[00:38:14] Nicole: And if they don't sign the pledge, they don't get to go into the Pentagon. Now, this to me, is something I think that you and I could really agree is quite dangerous because this is our US military and, and we, the people need to understand what's going on there and it can't be the secret. What do you think about that?
[00:38:36] Nicole: I got that from the Guardian, and I'll put that in the show notes.
[00:38:40] Jolene: if that's the black and white of it right there, what's the justification for that? and has that ever been done before? I mean, is this again, you, you tell me something like that and I, and I think, okay, well, what's the entirety of the clip? Or, you know, what's the, or has this always been done in the past and they're just highlighting it? You know, I mean, that, [00:39:00] that's how I look at things now because, you know, as, as we've, as
[00:39:05] Nicole: I mean, they just, they just announced this last
[00:39:06] Nicole: weekend, right?
[00:39:08] Jolene: and if that, so if that's true. No, that sounds, that sounds scary to me, but I'd like to know more about it before I comment on it. But you asked me before that, um, how do I feel about the government being all up in our business?
[00:39:22] Nicole: Mm-hmm.
[00:39:22] Jolene: Telling us what to eat and telling us, being in our streets and, and what we can watch on tv. I think this is where we have that fine line between the role of the government is to protect its citizens. And so when you say, do I like it that they're in our streets? if we're sending in help and whether that be National Guard or, into Chicago, I, oh my gosh, I would absolutely want that.
[00:39:51] Jolene: You know, I know when it happened in Washington DC you said, are you for that? And I said, yeah. I mean, when, when you're in these really high crime [00:40:00] areas where crime is just rampant and nothing can be done about it, and they're letting you know, criminals be criminals, we've gotta do something. And so is that the role of the government?
[00:40:11] Jolene: Government
[00:40:12] Nicole: But to put in military.
[00:40:14] Jolene: Well, who else would they, I mean, would they, would they take a police department from Kimberly City, Missouri and go into Chicago? I mean, do they have, I don't know who else you would, who else could you
[00:40:25] Jolene: do to help that out?
[00:40:26] Nicole: first of all, I would like Congress to step up and start doing their job.
[00:40:33] Jolene: A
[00:40:33] Nicole: Period. Right. So this is part of the problem that if, if the Congress was like, we need to deal with crime, it wasn't all just Trump saying, this is the executive order. I'm sending this in.
[00:40:48] Nicole: We're pulling, you know, we, Brendan Carr says we're gonna do this the easy way or the hard way. I don't like what that guy said. I'm gonna pull him off the air. And then the next thing Trump does is like, congrat good [00:41:00] for you. A, B, C. And I'm like, what is happening?
[00:41:03] Jolene: Okay. So Congress can make laws, but the problems, I mean, so what these criminals are doing is still criminal. They've made a law that says you can't shoot somebody, but they're still doing it. So I, I'm not really sure at what that would do to help, the crime in Chicago right now.
[00:41:19] Jolene: Right. So they need extra, they need extra help. I mean, that's not a law that should be written. That is, we are, as prosecutors either don't have enough manpower to allow these criminals to be taken off the street and keep 'em in jail. Or we, we've got overcrowded jails or we don't have people that, um, that have enough time or manpower to prosecute them and keep them in in jails.
[00:41:45] Nicole: but,
[00:41:46] Jolene: That I think is the problem
[00:41:48] Nicole: okay. this administration uses the state rights when it's convenient for them and then uses its federal power when it's convenient for them. Like the meaning, why [00:42:00] can't Illinois deal with it? Why is it Trump's business?
[00:42:03] Jolene: Okay. Alright. So. So let's go back to your original question was, um, are, are we okay with the government being all up in our business, telling us what we should eat and what we should watch and being in our streets to keep us safe?
[00:42:21] Jolene: And my answer as the conservative is that yes, I think that putting military into areas that are, um, crime ridden is the gov role of the government and should be, I think, um, not telling us what to eat, but, but being able to wade through some of the, um, as, as we have talked about the pharmaceutical and the food industry that, um, has weasel their way into, um, our government and has,
[00:42:50] Jolene: Allowed, uh, some really bad choices to be, developed even into this. Is that this is healthy for you or this [00:43:00] is good for you. I mean, the food pyramid, you know, was developed how many years ago and, and really, you know, those things, I think that is the role of the government to say no, the information that we have been given as a society for so long that we've just accepted it and that really we can push back and say, no, that, that there is science and there is evidence and there is information that is contrary to what we've been told.
[00:43:26] Jolene: And let's be able to get that story out too. So you. You as an individual can make that choice for you. And I think that's the difference between Democrats and Republicans that that what they're trying to do, whether it's the MAGA movement or the Maha movement or whatever, we want to make sure that we're giving you another piece of information so that you as an individual can make that choice for yourself.
[00:43:48] Nicole: are we in agreement That Brendan Carr's threat was
[00:43:54] Jolene: Overreaching.
[00:43:55] Nicole: Yes.
[00:43:58] Nicole: I, I, I guess I want [00:44:00] to, yeah, I want to understand or have our viewer or listener understand. I think we're on the same page, that we wanna be
[00:44:10] Nicole: able
[00:44:11] Jolene: I would agree
[00:44:12] Nicole: to say what we wanna say and not be, penalized. Punished our views.
[00:44:20] Jolene: to a degree because I think that that the things that have come out, the conversations that I've been hearing since the Jimmy Kimmel incident is, you have consequences to your rhetoric and your actions or should you be canceled? And I think that we would all agree that cancel culture was rampant.
[00:44:41] Jolene: Five years ago, and it was horrible. And you know, we, we both have said, you know, that that was, that that's not the way to have discussions is just to cancel people. and that was one of the things that Charlie Kirk had talked about was, no, have a discussion with somebody and not just cancel 'em. [00:45:00] And, and that's exactly what, what they did with Jimmy Kimmel.
[00:45:03] Jolene: However, are there consequences to your actions were, was this a business decision by those a, b, C affiliates to say, we don't wanna take this kind of rhetoric anymore. We're not going to air this show because it is not a good business decision for us.
[00:45:20] Nicole: Well, how do you feel about him being
[00:45:21] Jolene: I would agree with you.
[00:45:22] Jolene: I think that, I think it's fine.
[00:45:24] Jolene: I think, um, I'm not sure that he actually apologized. I think from what you said and from what I've seen, like his monologue. Okay. That his monologue Was great and said the things that we all would hope that he would say. I mean, it sounds like he did that again, not having listened to the whole thing.
[00:45:42] Jolene: I don't know. and so, yeah, let's, I mean, we're a forgiving nation, you know, we, we, we are big on forgiveness and so, um, and
[00:45:52] Jolene: isn't that the Christian thing to do? I hope that, that the Erica Kirk forgiveness is the banner [00:46:00] to which we can all live from now on. let's forgive people
[00:46:04] Jolene: and move on And,
[00:46:06] Jolene: let's not riot
[00:46:08] Nicole: well also, the non-Christians out there. we believe in forgiveness too.
[00:46:12] Jolene: I would agree. I think there's been so much around the, you know, the talk of being a Christian and Christians forgive and, and all that. And I, I truly believe that, but I also believe that our God is a lot bigger than the religion that you, um, adhere to. I think God still loves you, Nicole, and um, as even though that you're not a Christian or you don't proclaim that Jesus Christ is the son of God. I know there are Christian religions that would not agree with me, and I understand that, and those are your values. I get that. And I love that you believe that it's not, it's just personally, it's not what I think.
[00:46:55] Jolene: I think God is so much bigger than the religions that we [00:47:00] have, as humans have put together. I think people who are not religious or um, don't go to church, I think they still have it in their hearts to be forgiving and loving and that they can get to heaven. Oh my gosh. If that gets me canceled, sorry. I mean, there are real, there are Christians who don't believe that.
[00:47:25] Nicole: Oh, I know there
[00:47:26] Nicole: are Jews that don't believe it. There are, there are Muslims that don't believe it. All of these religions have their own set of rules of who's getting into heaven and who's not. it's really been so prevalent because of the Charlie Kirk assassination and, and it bothers me.
[00:47:45] Nicole: and it, I think it makes it hard for us to have these discussions and create this community when I feel like people that are Christian, some Christians will say, well, that's the Christian [00:48:00] way, or that, you know, this is what, this is our Christian nation, or this is, and what it does. It makes those of us that aren't Christian feel really alienated
[00:48:11] Nicole: And it hurts our feelings because we're good too. And we forgive too. And we love you too. and we respect that you fe that you believe what you believe. I've never said don't believe it, but I am asking you to the next time you say that or write that on a comment that understand that you are alienating that other person instead of welcoming them into your circle and also welcoming them into their cir.
[00:48:47] Nicole: I'm asking you, it's a big ask to welcome me or whomever into your circle and let us be who we are. us
[00:48:57] Nicole: because of it. I love you [00:49:00] because of it.
[00:49:00] Jolene: That's exactly what Jesus did. Jesus hung out with the prostitutes and the text collectors and the, and, and that's what, and so, I mean, for us to say that we're only going to hang out with other Christians and those are the only ones getting to heaven. That's not what Jesus thought.
[00:49:16] Jolene: So,
[00:49:17] Nicole: I mean, I studied this stuff in college and he seemed like a good dude. I dunno if that gets me out, gets me canceled. But he seemed like a good dude.
[00:49:26] Nicole: You know? I might not think he's the Lord and Savior, but I thought he was a good dude
[00:49:30] Nicole: I have a couple. Good for the souls.
[00:49:36] Nicole: This happened September 4th on cspan. it seemed to be completely, um, not hot news, but to me it's super hot news. So, uh, representative Chip Roy, a Republican and representative a OCA democrat co-wrote or co-sponsored the Restore Trust [00:50:00] and Congress Act. And it is a bipartisan bill that I'm so excited to tell you all about.
[00:50:10] Nicole: That is about a congressional stock trading ban. Getting Congress to
[00:50:17] Nicole: stop trading their, their stocks. first of all, it's a great idea and it's a really great clip to see how friendly and friends Chip Roy, Republican, a OC Democrat, are friends and are so excited to, uh, write this bill and get it passed because they are, they really deeply believe that we should trust our Congress again, and that, um, we need to stop trading stocks.
[00:50:52] Nicole: How do you feel about that, Joe?
[00:50:54] Jolene: I cannot believe it. I mean, you and I talked about this one time, and so the fact like [00:51:00] it was just like, so, like of course they shouldn't.
[00:51:04] Jolene: And so
[00:51:07] Nicole: exciting,
[00:51:07] Jolene: that they did it, and when you sent me that clip and you see that. A OC is talking with Chip Roy, and you're like,
[00:51:14] Nicole: And they're, they're like chummy and he is like, she's like touching his arm and
[00:51:18] Nicole: like, yeah. Hey,
[00:51:20] Jolene: we're going out for drinks afterwards with right. Exactly's. Exactly. That's exactly right. And then I found, I found another interesting interview with Chip Roy on CNBC that I'll also put in his show notes. he's being interviewed about the Congressional stock trading ban and also about the u um, United States government stake in Intel, which I thought the company Intel, which Jolene, you've gotta see
[00:51:50] Nicole: this interview.
[00:51:51] Jolene: yeah, yeah. Yes.
[00:51:52] Nicole: really great. He's so your kind of Republican, I think you're gonna dig it. And I have to say that [00:52:00] watching it, I was impressed. I was very impressed. I was like, all right, another person that is a standup dude that I can keep my eye on and shout out, chip Roy and a OC. Do you have any good for the souls today?
[00:52:16] Jolene: I do. I know we've highlighted this before, um, this email that I get, um, the Progress Network,
[00:52:23] Jolene: um, I think it's weekly and it's, um, what could go right this was today's, and it's three transformative trends You won't see in the news.
[00:52:33] Jolene: The electro tech age has begun. I've never heard of Electro Tech. Didn't know what it is. It's something that we obviously should know, um, because have you ever heard of Electro Tech?
[00:52:46] Nicole: No. No. What is it?
[00:52:48] Jolene: they're saying it's the first industrial, uh, revolution. for the shift is electro tech revolution. It's a combination of renewable energy, electrification, and AI [00:53:00] that unlocks energy abundance at a scale that we've never seen before. And of course, China's already doing it. They're the first electro state. it's massive. Electro tech production has already allowed emerging markets to leapfrog the global north in terms of electrification. Um, so that was interesting. Their second thing though is the world's poor have become richer and child poverty is bending downward. So that's another, um, really good article.
[00:53:29] Jolene: That is exciting. Um, and the last one was mobile money accounts are growing like crazy. And they talked about, you know, here, you know, we all hate our iPhones and the demise of our society as our, as our mobile phones, but they're saying that in East Africa, the telecommunications company are allowing accounts to, for people to receive money via text, so, you know, think Venmo, um, but it's allowing, [00:54:00] um, them to get paid, you know, people that maybe would not have access to a bank account, but it's allowing them to receive government benefits and loans to borrow cash from Fred's and family.
[00:54:11] Jolene: And 40% of adults in Sub-Saharan Africa and nearly the same and Latin America and the Caribbean have a mobile money account now. that crazy?
[00:54:22] Jolene: So there I know. Okay.
[00:54:27] Nicole: There you go. Well, good, for your
[00:54:30] Jolene: good, for your soul. a little good for your soul?
[00:54:32] Nicole: No. Uh, all right. I'm gonna hit you with a, would you rather,
[00:54:41] Jolene: Give it to me. Girly.
[00:54:43] Nicole: would you rather be stuck in traffic but find a perfect parking spot or never be stuck in traffic, but always take forever to park
[00:54:58] Jolene: Oh gosh, no, [00:55:00] not the second one.
[00:55:01] Nicole: so you don't mind being stuck No. I just like, well, you know, traffic in this area is like, there's a farmer who's got a slow combine going down the road, like that's traffic around here. So,
[00:55:15] Jolene: I mean, I don't really think that's
[00:55:17] Jolene: an issue around here.
[00:55:18] Nicole: really have a lot of
[00:55:19] Jolene: to deal with it. I think though that there are times when you're in traffic that now I know that traffic, I keep hearing that traffic in New York is so bad right now.
[00:55:28] Jolene: When the UN
[00:55:29] Nicole: Oh gosh. I mean, it's bad always,
[00:55:32] Nicole: but it's really bad
[00:55:32] Jolene: it's like horrible.
[00:55:34] Nicole: Yeah.
[00:55:34] Jolene: I, but I've always thought, like, being in traffic is, is sometimes just an opportunity. I mean, unless you're late for somewhere and you gotta be somewhere or you're late for, you're gonna miss your flight or something like that, obviously that's bad.
[00:55:44] Jolene: But then it's sometimes an opportunity to listen to music or listen to the radio, or listen to a podcast that maybe you wouldn't get to listen
[00:55:51] Jolene: to
[00:55:51] Jolene: or I don't know,
[00:55:52] Jolene: trying to
[00:55:53] Nicole: But,
[00:55:53] Nicole: but, but you also are someone that clearly doesn't sit in traffic very often.[00:56:00]
[00:56:00] Jolene: That's true. No, that is exactly. I'm going, oh, yay. You're
[00:56:02] Jolene: stuck in
[00:56:03] Nicole: mean, the, the traffic traffic in the Bay Area, traffic in New York, it's bananas. It's so crazy. And I, I really feel for people that have like, like long commutes anyway, and then are stuck in traffic, it's just phew. Yeah. I guess you put on a podcast. I mean, I take the subway and I walk around and I put on a podcast.
[00:56:25] Nicole: So that's what I do, that put on our podcast.
[00:56:29] Jolene: Yeah. All
[00:56:30] Jolene: right.
[00:56:30] Nicole: got to talk.
[00:56:31] Nicole: All right? Mm-hmm. Uh, thank you Jolene, and thank you.
[00:56:39] Jolene: Thank you dear.
[00:56:40] Nicole: Viewer for listening and watching. And please, uh, do us a favor and like, and subscribe and, uh, share the podcast. We are creating a community here at, we've got to Talk and we are welcoming you all the conservatives, the liberals, the believers in the nonbelievers [00:57:00] all together, right,
[00:57:01] Jolene: And everything in between.
[00:57:04] Nicole: Mm-hmm.
[00:57:05] Nicole: Mm-hmm. Yes.
