Epstein Files Conspiracy + Political Questions You're Afraid to Ask
Some conversations are too important to avoid just because they're uncomfortable. Today, Jolene brought questions to the table that she's been wrestling with and wanted my (Nicole's) take on as a liberal Democrat:
Can you love America without being racist?
Should we forgive student loans or is that unfair to people who already paid?
And what's really in those Epstein files?
These are the discussions happening in your head that you're afraid to say out loud - so we're saying them for you.
Is Patriotism A Problem?
Here's a question that cuts deep: Is being patriotic automatically racist? We never thought we would have to have this discussion, but recent years have made displaying an American flag feel like a political statement instead of national pride. During certain political periods, flag-waving became associated with specific ideologies rather than shared American values.
Jolene's response hit home: she's proud to be patriotic and heartbroken that it's been politicized. We both agree that loving your country should transcend party lines. But somewhere along the way, patriotism got hijacked by people who think loving America means hating everyone who doesn't look like them.
The truth? You can absolutely love America and fight against racism. In fact, fighting for equality might be the most patriotic thing you can do. But we've let extremists on both sides define what patriotism looks like, and now everyone's confused about what it actually means.
Student Loans are Out Of Control
Should we forgive student loans or not? This one's complicated because both sides have valid points. College costs have become predatory, trapping young people in lifelong debt for degrees that don't guarantee good jobs. The whole system feels designed to extract maximum profit from students' dreams.
But Jolene raises the fairness question: what about people who worked multiple jobs, lived like monks, or made huge sacrifices to pay off their loans, or put their kids through college? Is it fair to forgive debt for some while others already suffered through repayment?
Here's what we agree on: the real villains are the universities charging obscene tuition and the loan companies profiting off student desperation. We've created a system where financial ruin is the price of education. That's not sustainable for anyone, regardless of your political views.
Everyone’s Talking About The Epstein Files
We dove into conspiracy territory with the Epstein files, and honestly, this topic attracts curiosity from everyone across the political spectrum. It’s so hot right now. The mysterious nature of what happened, who was involved, and what information exists creates fertile ground for theories.
Jolene wonders if these files are being kept hidden by Donald Trump as potential political leverage. Information so damaging that it's kept as insurance rather than released. I'm struck by how this story dominates conversations across all media platforms, from mainstream news to social media threads.
While we love exploring conspiracies, we try to separate legitimate questions from pure sensationalism. The truth is probably more mundane and more disturbing than the wildest theories suggest.
Democrats Need A Shake Up
Here's an uncomfortable truth I (Nicole) had to admit: Democrats don't have a clear, unified agenda right now. While Republicans seem to rally around specific issues, Democrats often find themselves reacting to Republican initiatives rather than driving their own vision forward.
Jolene pointed out that having one clear, compelling issue could be a game-changer for Democrats. We landed on healthcare, specifically affordable prescription drugs and healthcare reform, as something both sides could support. When your insulin costs more than your rent, party politics become secondary to survival.
This episode was Jolene's chance to ask the questions she'd been thinking about but wasn't sure how to bring up. Next time, maybe it'll be my turn to put uncomfortable topics on the table.
What we've learned after almost 40 years of friendship is that avoiding difficult conversations doesn't make them go away - it just lets other people define the terms. Whether it's patriotism, student debt, or conspiracy theories, these discussions are happening with or without us. We'd rather be part of shaping them than letting extremes dominate the narrative.
The goal isn't to agree on everything, it's to understand why people see things differently and find common ground where it exists. Sometimes that common ground is just agreeing that the current system isn't working for most people.
resources mentioned:
Good for the Soul:
The Joe Rogan Experience: James Talerico https://youtu.be/_jOGPvMftb8?si=WUkWVuwG0uT9peD9
Hunter Biden Full Interview: https://youtu.be/XBbkt2vYC4M?si=LkJZdrMmoq1e7lEy
Lee Greenwood Song Jolene loves: https://youtu.be/-KoXt9pZLGM?si=WE-xwaDreSR81nic
Ember Coffee Cup: https://ember.com/
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[00:00:00] Nicole: she's a conservative and I'm liberal, and yet we've been friends for almost 40 years. People say that you shouldn't talk about politics, religion, or money, and we say that's exactly what friends should be talking about. Join us, as we tackle the conversations you're having in your head, but are too scared to say out loud. Hello, Jolene.
[00:00:22] Jolene: Hello, Nicole.
[00:00:24] Nicole: How are you
[00:00:24] Jolene: I always, that always sounds so sinister. Hello?
[00:00:28] Nicole: Hello.
[00:00:28] Jolene: um, what was it from Seinfeld? Hello? Jerry? Hello? No, there was somebody. Hello?
[00:00:35] Nicole: Okay. I'm totally embarrassed that I've only seen clips of Seinfeld. I have never. Seen it. I know. It's crazy. I was in New York in the nineties and you know, I should have, but I didn't. And everybody references Seinfeld and I
[00:00:51] Jolene: Well, I will say I was not a big Seinfeld person. Like, I, I wouldn't watch it every week, or I, I'm thinking it was on every week. Isn't that so funny? Like to think about that [00:01:00] now? Like we don't watch things like
[00:01:03] Nicole: no, you either binge it or,
[00:01:04] Jolene: Right, right,
[00:01:05] Nicole: or you watch it when you want to watch it. Except those times that they are like, we're only dropping three episodes. And people are like, oh. And you're like, well, that's how it used to be.
[00:01:16] Jolene: I know,
[00:01:17] Nicole: and you, and you might've been impatient, but you didn't know any different.
[00:01:20] Jolene: right. God, that's so weird. I mean,
[00:01:23] Nicole: that weird?
[00:01:24] Jolene: doesn't that make us sound old?
[00:01:26] Nicole: Well, ugh. I'm not feeling old. Are you feeling old?
[00:01:31] Jolene: No, I felt better now. We should be doing our menopause
[00:01:36] Nicole: Yeah. Next time.
[00:01:38] Jolene: Yeah.
[00:01:38] Nicole: Today y'all, we're gonna do something. It's an experiment. let's call it shit that Jolene's thinking about. And maybe if it works, we will do what Nicole's thinking about. Because Jolene had several questions. She was like, let's, let's talk about [00:02:00] these things. Like, what did you call it? You didn't call it rapid fire, but you were like, let's peppered.
[00:02:06] Jolene: I pepper each other with questions?
[00:02:08] Nicole: So you were talking about peppering questions and it made me think first of all, I didn't know how to prepare for that, which is kind of like life. And one of the things that we are trying to. Model and take on is having these really tough conversations where you don't necessarily have the answers.
[00:02:31] Nicole: You also don't necessarily know what the questions are gonna be. But we're in this society now where like I've gotta, you know, armor up and get ready to prove my side right? Where
[00:02:46] Jolene: Yes.
[00:02:47] Nicole: but I don't feel that way. Like, uh, there's been, there's been all of those feelings of like, what is she gonna talk about? Oh, you know what, I'm just gonna be curious and listen. 'cause that's how, [00:03:00] what we're trying to do, and hopefully listener and viewer that maybe you can learn from our mistakes.
[00:03:08] Jolene: Don't do what we do. No, I,
[00:03:10] Nicole: what we do, but you know what I'm saying?
[00:03:12] Jolene: that's absolutely right because I don't want this, I also don't want these questions to be like, gotcha questions. I don't wanna be like, oh, aren't you happy that we don't have any more illegal immigrants? I mean, I don't want it to be, uh, I, I want to genuinely know how you feel on these things because think it's interesting.So if you ever feel like I'm asking you something that is a gotcha kind of question, or you are not comfortable, ask answering, then ask me to rephrase the question.
[00:03:43] Nicole: I I can do that. I can do that. All right,
[00:03:46] Jolene: Hell no, I'm not gonna answer that. Shut your mouth.
[00:03:50] Jolene: okay. But do you have any for me or is this just shit
[00:03:52] Nicole: No, I mean,to be fair, there were three things that you brought up yesterday,
[00:03:58] Jolene: Yeah.
[00:03:58] Nicole: right? You [00:04:00] talked about, the auto pen you talked about, The Epstein files.
[00:04:07] Jolene: Mm-hmm.
[00:04:08] Nicole: And what was the third? I forgot. I mean, I know the
[00:04:10] Jolene: Well, I'm gonna ask you
[00:04:13] Nicole: Okay. Tell me or ask me.
[00:04:15] Jolene: Here we go. Do you think it's racist to be a patriot or to be patriotic?
[00:04:21] Nicole: no I don't. Um, and it's interesting because I have a good for the soul that I'll talk about right now, where this particular topic came up. So as, the viewer knows, and the listener knows that I've been following James Teleco for. Probably a year or so, and he is my other favorite Christian other than my friend Jolene. And, in our wishlist of future guests, uh, he was right up in the top three. so James Teleco is a [00:05:00] state, uh, Texas state legislator. Uh, he is in the house, uh, the Texas House, Le State Legislature. Is that right? Yeah. And he is 36 years old and he's actually studying in the ministry right now.
[00:05:17] Jolene: He's in seminary.
[00:05:18] Nicole: yes, he's in seminary. He was a middle school teacher in Texas and felt drawn to run for the State House, and he is in his fourth term in the State House. and one of the reasons he wanted to go into, uh, the seminary was that he wanted to be able to, say what he meant and meant what he said, which I love.
[00:05:41] Nicole: he works very well with, uh, state Republicans. Not just 'cause he has to, but because he wants to, and when someone uses scripture, he will very gently and respectfully have dialogue as to hold on a second,
[00:05:59] Jolene: [00:06:00] Mm-hmm.
[00:06:00] Nicole: and he knows what he's talking about. All to say that my good for the soul that I'm saying at the very beginning of the podcast is that he is now famous because he went on Joe Rogan and he was on Joe Rogan last week that Joe Rogan experienced my very first, I listened to the entire two and a half
[00:06:19] Jolene: Oh, wow.
[00:06:21] Nicole: It took a couple of days, but I, y'all, I highly recommend it. It was, just was so cool. I was so. Happy for James, and I was so happy for Joe Rogan. a friend of his had sent him an Instagram post Joe Rogan and said, you gotta look at the guy. And it was a Instagram post in regards to, um, the 10 Commandments being put in the classroom.
[00:06:48] Nicole: And Joe Rogan was very curious about this guy and had James on, uh, when it was, I guess when he got the email, he thought it was spam and then found out it was [00:07:00] real. And just like the rest of us, uh, when something wild like that happens. anyway, the long and the short of it that came up about patriotism and racism I encourage you all to listen to the podcast for many, many reasons, um, to learn about. Speaking to each other with kindness and learning to work together. and for all those of you that are Christian to, uh, think about how Christianity, be used in a good way. and he talked about how it has become synonymous and it's unfortunate. I can say that I have felt over the last, I guess from Trump term one, that all of a sudden the flag, the American flag I'm just gonna speak for me.
[00:07:51] Nicole: I felt a. Embarrassed, ashamed, um, scared, like it [00:08:00] wasn't mine anymore. It felt like a loss. I never really thought of it before until I guess Trump term one came in and there were some ugliness that I didn't agree with, and Trump would sort of take over the flag and then he had his own flags and it just felt, we talked about the Patriot Day and all of that, that, that there were situations after January 6th where I felt. scared and aggressiveness from that. I do feel it turning Jolene, I do feel like, for instance, I, have neighbors who are now making a conscious decision and they're, um, raging liberals as I like to call them, and they are embracing that flag and flying that flag, meaning
[00:08:48] Jolene: Oh, good.
[00:08:50] Nicole: so that it's like, hold on a second. I have, I have put this on it and the media that I consume has put this on [00:09:00] it.
[00:09:00] Nicole: so I don't think being patriotic means being racist at all. A confederate flag, different story.
[00:09:09] Jolene: Right. so when, when you hear Bruce Springsteen, you know, disparage being in when he goes to Europe and says like, I'm not proud to be an American anymore. I mean, I like when you have people leaving the country, like the whole Rosie O'Donnell thing and all that, like, people leaving the country because they don't agree with Trump being president.
[00:09:33] Jolene: does that make you angry?
[00:09:35] Nicole: I mean, it's a personal experience. You know, I think when Trump is elected, a lot of people are like, I'm leaving, and then they don't. Then some that do and some that do. Okay. Good for you, or I guess you gotta post it. I don't know. I th I, I mean, no, no dissing to them, but I think it takes more courage if you are, [00:10:00] don't feel represented that you stay here and do the work to get represented.
[00:10:06] Jolene: Yeah. Okay. All
[00:10:08] Nicole: it, how do you, how do you feel about it?
[00:10:10] Jolene: I love being patriotic. I, Lee Greenwood makes me cry every time I hear his song. And, and so, but it makes me, it makes me very sad to think that people reserve that for Republicans, or maybe it's even who.
[00:10:28] Jolene: Whichever party is, is holding the White House. I mean,
[00:10:32] Nicole: I, Joe, I don't think, I think when we were kids, no way.
[00:10:35] Jolene: right? No,
[00:10:37] Nicole: re remember the bicentennial? Do you remember Cel
[00:10:40] Jolene: Oh yes.
[00:10:41] Nicole: Do you remember celebrating the bicentennial?
[00:10:43] Jolene: my grandma made me, um, a, um, an outfit and we had the bonnet and the whole, yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:10:48] Nicole: I remember so distinctly getting, um, my dad got, um, what is it, CRE paper, uh, streamers and, and decorating my bike and being in the parade and [00:11:00] going down to the park and, and they had this gaze gazebo with those old timey, flags that are sort of round, I don't know what you, what they're called,
[00:11:08] Jolene: Um,
[00:11:09] Nicole: you know what I'm talking about.
[00:11:10] Nicole: And then they had a band play and I was six years old and I was like, this is the most amazing thing ever. it was just a different time. Right. We talked about this before, like, I know you love your new, but that was a big deal when, when Congress stopped living together. what's interesting about this James Teleco, Joe Rogan episode is that everybody, and he acknowledges, like everybody still lives in Austin and they work together and they,
[00:11:42] Jolene: Have dinner together
[00:11:43] Nicole: Exactly. And they play together. And of course people are like, James, run for national office. And I'm thinking, cool. But the system has to change in Washington. Like it really, it has become, that [00:12:00] us against them vers, like the Republicans get to be patriotic and the Democrats. I think it's changing.
[00:12:07] Jolene: To go back the other way, you're saying it's changing now that everybody can be patriotic.
[00:12:11] Nicole: I think the liberals, the Democrats are starting to be like, wait a second, because I do think, you know, we Democrats, we have to get our shit together it's always been about like fighting against, instead of fighting for, it's, that's how it's felt like in the last couple terms as Democrats where it's like, well, what do you, what do we want?
[00:12:34] Jolene: Yeah.
[00:12:35] Nicole: Stop saying what you don't want. That doesn't work in life. It's so negative. It's and so boring. It's so boring. Like, what do you want? And, and I think people are realizing, wow, we just give the Republicans so much power. One of the things is what is the meaning of the flag?
[00:12:55] Jolene: Yep.
[00:12:56] Jolene: I, I did not agree with, he was Citing some [00:13:00] biblical verses to justify his, pro-abortion, uh, stance. And I didn't agree with that. And, and really even listening to the way that he was interpreting, some of the passages I think you can look at them two different ways and it, you know, he even talked about that too, you know, I mean,
[00:13:19] Nicole: That it, that it's always in the interpretation
[00:13:22] Jolene: yes.
[00:13:23] Jolene: Right. So interesting. Okay, next one. Here's Biden Auto Pen. they're making such a big deal out of this. I mean, I feel like it's
[00:13:32] Nicole: What do
[00:13:33] Jolene: what we've already.
[00:13:34] Nicole: don't, yeah, why don't you start? What do you feel about it?
[00:13:36] Jolene: isn't it what we've already talked about, like, okay, he was not running his own show at the end, and whether the end means the last couple of weeks or the last couple of months, or the last two years, we don't, we're not really sure. if there was someone who was just signing these declarations and whether they were executive orders or the, um, the commuting, the sentences, um, [00:14:00] or initiating, funding some of these green energy initiatives that I think we had talked about that, you know, Stacey Abrams all of a sudden his, he kind of had this crony group that, um, all of a sudden got all this money that was called, you know, a, a Green Energy initiative.
[00:14:14] Jolene: And it really was kind of a bogus deal I think it's legit to think that he, somebody's got, you know, the stamp with his.With his signature on it and they were running stuff through that he had no idea about. I think that's a legit like that, that could have actually happened. Do you?
[00:14:35] Nicole: I mean, yeah, I am at the point where I'm like, so in terms of the autopen, only because honestly didn't know anything about the autopen. I'm learning all this because of the podcast, really. And I guess the autopen like started, they started using it in the forties, I think. And the first time they used it for signing legislature was in Obama's, term.[00:15:00]
[00:15:00] Nicole: And In terms of the autopen, to me, as you just said, it's a, it's a bigger issue. And we did an episode on, you know, what happened who was really running the country. We already did a Biden episode about this. Where, to me, that's the bigger issue than the fucking Autopen. Sorry,
[00:15:18] Jolene: Linda.
[00:15:19] Nicole: Like, I'm just like, who cares about the auto pen?
[00:15:22] Nicole: Like, yeah, I just kind of can't believe, aren't more upset about, it's like there's just too much, and that people have just moved on. I'm like, um, listen, the guy had so much ego, he never should have run the second time. That's my opinion. And I don't understand why he did.
[00:15:45] Nicole: I don't understand why his family didn't say, Hey Joe, time to stop. In a very loving way. I just, I don't get it. And so it was very clear that at least, like you said, the last two [00:16:00] weeks, the last two months, the last two years from that debate, as we talked about in several episodes, that that was horrifying.
[00:16:07] Nicole: And the poor man was struggling and they just pushed him out there. So we talk about the autopen, okay, duh.
[00:16:15] Jolene: Yeah,
[00:16:16] Nicole: and yet that's sort of part of the deal is probably, and, and the fact that this poor man is going, no, you know, I'm just like, okay,
[00:16:27] Jolene: Wait, have you seen the latest this Hunter Biden interview?
[00:16:31] Nicole: no.
[00:16:32] Jolene: Oh,
[00:16:33] Nicole: Okay. Is this on Fox? Because I have not
[00:16:37] Jolene: it was the lead. Oh my gosh. It's the, it was the lead story on the, on America's newsroom this morning. It was the lead story. It's this horrible interview and I don't even know, I think it was like a, it was an interview that he did with a YouTuber or something that was just released yesterday.
[00:16:53] Nicole: My sources have not reported on it today. Maybe they will tomorrow. So tell me about it.
[00:16:58] Jolene: All I know is [00:17:00] they were showing clips of it and he, I mean, he is dropping f-bomb after F-bomb after F-bomb. I mean, even you, I think would be a little, a little embarrassed by the amount of F-bombs. mean, and he's just going after everybody. He's going after George Clooney. He's going after the media.
[00:17:18] Jolene: He's going after. I mean, he is unhinged. for
[00:17:21] Nicole: angry about
[00:17:22] Nicole: what
[00:17:23] Jolene: he's angry at the way that his father has been treated. And he still stands by the story that he, his dad could have won. That he should be the president right now. And that he was, you know, they screwed him. it's almost the same thing, like as you're watching Biden in the debate and you're like, oh, this is not good.
[00:17:44] Jolene: This is sad.
[00:17:45] Nicole: yeah,
[00:17:46] Jolene: watching this interview. Who, who allowed him to do this interview and why, and somebody don't let him do this anymore. It, it was horrible. Okay. Anyway,
[00:17:57] Nicole: okay.
[00:17:58] Jolene: how do you feel about the [00:18:00] student loan forgiveness programs?
[00:18:02] Nicole: Oh gosh, I didn't think we'd be talking about this. I'm all ready to talk about Epstein, um,
[00:18:08] Jolene: Oh, that one's next.
[00:18:10] Nicole: How do I feel about the student loan forgiveness? I just think it's so fucked up.
[00:18:15] Nicole: I think it's crazy that college costs so much. I will agree with, with Joe Rogan and his take, which was that, you know, you're preying on these very young people, 18 year olds whose frontal, uh, lobe is not developed yet and is, uh, thinking that, oh yeah, I can handle it. And then, uh, cut to their, their social security checks are coming in and they're getting docked for their, their student loan that they will never pay because the compound interest is so bad.
[00:18:48] Nicole: I, and I'm gonna again take Joe Rogan's word. It's gross. It's really gross. I feel like how the hell are people supposed to get ahead? or how are we supposed to stop the madness and do it [00:19:00] differently are your thoughts about it? I'm guessing that you
[00:19:02] Jolene: well, I mean, you and I went to the University of Iowa because my parents weren't gonna pay for a private education. You know, my
[00:19:09] Nicole: Well, I, I was
[00:19:10] Jolene: you paid outta state. Did you have any scholarships or anything with the theater department? Oh, really?
[00:19:16] Nicole: I didn't, my timing was on my side. My grandfather had passed away, uh, I think a couple years before
[00:19:25] Jolene: Hmm,
[00:19:25] Nicole: I went to college, and, uh, gave my dad some money for me for college, and that paid for college. I mean, I am so grateful. that I didn't have student debt. It, it is, and, you know, yes, we, we did, you know, we were in those positions, but college was not nearly as expensive as it is
[00:19:48] Jolene: right.
[00:19:48] Jolene: right.
[00:19:49] Nicole: I wanted to stop the madness. I don't know how you do it, but this is crazy time.
[00:19:54] Jolene: Okay, so,
[00:19:55] Nicole: are not even giving kids a, a way to,[00:20:00]
[00:20:00] Jolene: well, I think that
[00:20:01] Nicole: work.
[00:20:02] Jolene: That was also part of the deal for, for me, going to college. My parents said four years and out, if it takes you more than four years, you have to get a student loan or you have to pay for it
[00:20:11] Nicole: my mine too.
[00:20:12] Jolene: And that's why I took 28 hours my last semester.
[00:20:17] Nicole: You did.
[00:20:19] Jolene: God, you remember that?
[00:20:21] Nicole: That's hor. How, how could you do that?
[00:20:24] Jolene: because, okay. So we didn't have
[00:20:26] Nicole: Girl, we are so, we are so opposite. I took classes junior summer so that I would have a light senior year.
[00:20:34] Jolene: Oh, I, I took summer classes as well. I just,
[00:20:38] Jolene: I were you doing?
[00:20:39] Jolene: I was drinking and partying and being stupid. That's what I was doing and I wasn't going to
[00:20:44] Nicole: hours. That's
[00:20:45] Nicole: crazy. I was home at Thanksgiving, my, my senior year. had already picked our classes for next semester and I had said, uh, my dad said so.
[00:20:55] Jolene: We're getting ready last semester, right? And I go, uh, yeah, about [00:21:00] that. I'm ready. I'm gonna have to go in the summer. And then one more semester I'll graduate in December. And he goes, oh, wow. So have you looked into a loan or, how are you, how are you gonna do that? And I go, no, no, really? Like, no, I just, and he's like, no, the, the deal's foreign out.
[00:21:16] Jolene: That's the deal.
[00:21:17] Jolene: And I was so mad at him that I, as soon as Thanksgiving break was over, I went to my advisor and I go, how many hours do I need? And he goes, 28. And I go, how do I get 'em? And he goes, well, you, youyou can't do 'em. And I go, yeah, I can. How do I do it? And he was like, uh, well, alright, let's take a look at it.
[00:21:35] Jolene: And so I took, I had 18 hours that I took like, you know, classes, real classes that I took. We didn't have online classes and, but we had, we had correspondence courses. So I took like a Vietnam War class and a calligraphy class that were each three hours. A piece. So there was six hours that were, um, correspondence classes.
[00:21:57] Jolene: Then I took, do you, [00:22:00] do you remember the PE classes that you could go to Baraboo, Wisconsin for a
[00:22:04] Nicole: No, no.
[00:22:06] Jolene: we could do rock climbing and cross country skiing.
[00:22:09] Nicole: Oh, that sounds fun.
[00:22:11] Jolene: It was fantastic. But you could do it on a weekend and you could get one credit hour for just going, um, on the weekend. So I did that, so that 6, 7, 8, and then, um, God, what was the other, there was something else that I had to do for a two hour class that I got, so I literally,
[00:22:28] Nicole: You must have been exhausted,
[00:22:30] Jolene: honestly, it was just about like, I was busy every minute of the day and I had it all planned out and I knew exactly what I needed to do, and so
[00:22:40] Nicole: Wow.
[00:22:40] Jolene: done. I know, I know. Anyway,
[00:22:42] Nicole: So the threat of ha Well, no, no, no. You don't really, 'cause the threat of having to take out a loan
[00:22:48] Nicole: made you, you were like, I gotta get my shit together now.
[00:22:51] Jolene: Exactly. And we also talked about this, like, if I really wanted to, I really would've loved to have, have majored in, you know, [00:23:00] in theater. But my dad was like, Nope, you gotta get a job. So no, you can go be
[00:23:05] Nicole: would've had so much fun together
[00:23:07] Jolene: oh my God,
[00:23:09] Nicole: doing scene, study class,
[00:23:10] Jolene: I've been to the, would I have been the only conservative in the theater program?
[00:23:14] Nicole: probably,
[00:23:16] Jolene: I could have been the token conservative.
[00:23:18] Nicole: even that conservative girl.
[00:23:20] Jolene: Yeah. Oh no, that's true. That is true. See, I would've fit right in.
[00:23:23] Nicole: Yeah. There you go.
[00:23:25] Jolene: Um, okay, so my whole point to this little tiraid is that, um, yes, I I think that those people that are choosing to go to private institutions and paying 70, $80,000 a year, if they don't have the means to do it, then maybe they should look at, um, other options.
[00:23:45] Jolene: that are more affordable. and why are you, why are you majoring in something that is probably not gonna pay that bill either? I mean, that's,
[00:23:54] Nicole: Oh, so that, that's where I'm gonna push back.
[00:23:57] Nicole: That's where I'm gonna push back because [00:24:00] I think a liberal arts education is an amazing experience where you can really learn how to think critically, how to communicate, how to be around people that are not like you. I loved studying different things, uh, that just interested me.
[00:24:16] Nicole: I studied, um, you know, actually a lot, we talked about this Judeo-Christian, uh, tradition, uh, classes. I took French, I took dance, I took like
[00:24:28] Jolene: But you can take all those things and still get a major in accounting or, uh,
[00:24:34] Nicole: Well, I don't know if
[00:24:35] Nicole: that's true as but, but we need artists.
[00:24:39] Jolene: I agree. Absolutely.
[00:24:41] Nicole: I mean, I do think we need to focus as a society. I think we need to focus more on, back on training programs,
[00:24:49] Nicole: on like giving people skills, That The That that, that the university route is not the only way.
[00:24:55] Jolene: That's not for
[00:24:56] Jolene: everybody.
[00:24:57] Nicole: It's not for everyone. It doesn't, you not going [00:25:00] to college doesn't mean you're a loser. if you go to college, you're going to college 'cause you want to go to college. I had friends that, or when I would go to, well, when I was at university there, you could tell certain people didn't wanna be there.
[00:25:14] Nicole: It doesn't work like it and it doesn't need to. And we're in this society where we've put like college education at the top and like, you're a loser if you don't go to college. Which is not true.
[00:25:28] Jolene: That's all changing now with ai. Like you look at the, at the jobs that AI is taking over and whether it's, you know, business and writing and marketing and I mean, all these things that we could rely on AI for. Um, you're not gonna get AI to take over fixing my car
[00:25:48] Jolene: and fixing my air conditioning
[00:25:51] Nicole: where did the trades go? Like being a plumber, being an electrician, being a carpenter, those are real skills that we're not training [00:26:00] people. Learning how to be an air traffic controller. It takes years. We have a huge, deficit of air traffic controllers, causes, it's a huge safety issue.
[00:26:09] Nicole: Why aren't we like pushing people into other different, avenues and celebrating it? I'm like, I, I absolutely agree with you. and there's another part of society, which I think. We could all work on and it's a, it's a very elitist, and I think there are elitist Republicans and elitist democrats both where is a pressure, I must go to, said private school that I can't afford. And if I don't go, I have failed. I am not enough. like, I agree with you, Jolene. If you don't have the scholarship, if you can't pay it, there's a lot of great colleges. You don't. But I am sure that there is societal noise, parental noise. Like I've, I, from the time I was born, I'm supposed to go to Harvard.
[00:26:59] Nicole: By [00:27:00] the time I was born, I'm supposed to go to Stanford, whatever it is. what an incredible thing to just like take that away
[00:27:07] Jolene: Okay. But I think that's really, like you talk about the one percenters, that's probably the one percenters, right? I
[00:27:14] Nicole: Well, I don't know. I, I, I don't know Jolene, because I think when you said that there's gonna be people that, private school loans,
[00:27:21] Jolene: yeah,
[00:27:22] Nicole: I'm gonna guess that there are some kids out there that maybe got a partial scholarship and they, they have societal pressure to go to said private school and they're go like, okay, I wanna be able to tell everyone that I went to this school.
[00:27:41] Nicole: the one percenters can afford college.
[00:27:43] Jolene: Right.
[00:27:44] Nicole: the super, what are they called? The super class. They can buy the college. I mean, what there, those aren't the people that are taking out loans.
[00:27:53] Nicole: do you think we should have some. That these kids or kids and adults should have some respite or [00:28:00] do you think
[00:28:01] Jolene: the student loan forgiveness program
[00:28:03] Nicole: Yeah.
[00:28:04] Jolene: I, I think, is really messed up because what happens to the Leland Vander Lin's of the world who worked his whole life so that he could afford to send his daughter to a four year public school.
[00:28:20] Jolene: but you know, somebody over here got student loans and then it all got forgiven, and you're like, is that fair to Leland Vander? Linden, you know.
[00:28:30] Nicole: how do we fix it? Otherwise, like I don't, life isn't fair, number one. Number two, like it's gotten so outta control. That my feeling is just like, we gotta stop the madness and let people catch up. Like, how do we do this then? Because
[00:28:48] Jolene: really idealistic and it's not practical.
[00:28:50] Jolene: Let's stop the drip. First of all, you know, I mean, let, like,let's stop it at its source first. So let's not have, you know, if you can't
[00:28:58] Nicole: But don't you think [00:29:00] it's a business, Jolene, these people that are doing the lending, like they're, how, how dothat to me is where you, right, that's where it needs to be cut off.
[00:29:09] Jolene: Okay, but then, but who's asking for the loan? Why are you asking for an $80,000 a a year loan knowing that you are majoring in women's studies?
[00:29:22] Nicole: But what does that matter what someone's studying?
[00:29:24] Nicole: Like
[00:29:24] Jolene: in my mind, if my kid was going to college, I would say, well, if you're going to be a doctor, great. I know that the chances of you being able to afford to pay off your student loans
[00:29:38] Nicole: I mean, most doctors these days are, are struggling as well, right? I mean, but don't you think it's two or, or twofold or two pronged where, okay, yes, you wanna get the kids to stop loans that they can't pay. Totally get it. But also we have to stop [00:30:00] the loan sharks from, uh, pushing them
[00:30:04] Jolene: Well, and by loan sharks, do you mean the universities? I mean, why are the universities charging 80 grand
[00:30:12] Nicole: I don't listen.
[00:30:13] Nicole: I am, I don't know.
[00:30:14] Jolene: education that,
[00:30:17] Nicole: I agree with you. I agree with you. And having had a kid go through this, and, and a niece that is about to go like, and you've gone through it too. I was shocked. 'cause did your girls apply to anywhere other than Arkansas?
[00:30:31] Jolene: yeah.
[00:30:32] Nicole: Okay. What I was shocked by both Tessa and Jax, were good students
[00:30:40] Jolene: Mm-hmm.
[00:30:41] Nicole: and, when Jackson applied to said schools, we just sort of braced and not knowing that the price is so ballooned that if you have any sort of good grades [00:31:00] if some, there's something about you, whatever it is, they're like, we want you, all of a sudden they give you all this scholarship and I'm like. What, because when we were coming up, it was either you got a scholarship from need, or you got a scholarship from, like, you applied for said scholarship and you were an incredible artist or had a valedictorian.
[00:31:20] Nicole: It wasn't just like, Hey, we want you, we're gonna lower the price, or we're gonna give you, you know, $38,000 towards your $80,000 school. And I was like, what what? Why don't you just lower the price?
[00:31:37] Jolene: Because they've got the Chinese national students that will pay the government of China will pay
[00:31:48] Nicole: Well,
[00:31:48] Jolene: full tuition for their students to come to Harvard.
[00:31:51] Nicole: the inter, yeah. It's not just the Chinese, like the international students.
[00:31:55]
[00:31:56] Jolene: Okay. So I think, [00:32:00] uh, so I'm with you. I think that the whole student loan thing needs to be, but I just don't think it's fair, and I don't think that it's, it's right that you have a student loan forgiveness program that doesn't benefit everyone.
[00:32:17] Nicole: I totally understand why you don't think it's fair. I wish I had a creative answer to help solve it because I truly think that this forgiveness program is what they're thinking the solution is that they can't come up with another solution. I wish that I could be like, Hey, you guys, this is, how about this idea?
[00:32:40] Nicole: I think too that people, they, they come up with these blanket solutions and then that's it, and no one says, Hey, well, let me add on to this, or, this is not quite what I'm thinking. I mean, wouldn't it be cool for it to be a bipartisan solution where, hey, you know, this isn't quite right.
[00:32:59] Nicole: Let's tweak this. [00:33:00] What if we added this and to really solve it?
[00:33:03] Nicole: Versus
[00:33:03] Jolene: would be cool.
[00:33:06] Nicole: are you, are you teasing me?
[00:33:08] Jolene: I'm not. Well, of course, I mean, of course that
[00:33:11] Nicole: Right. But
[00:33:12] Jolene: all want,
[00:33:12] Nicole: Right. But, and that, but it feels like sometimes that it's like, this is what we're gonna do. And it's a, that's a very broad thing. We're just gonna forgive
[00:33:22] Jolene: Yeah,
[00:33:23] Nicole: and Yeah. The liberals like that. Um, and I understand why the conservatives don't,
[00:33:29] Jolene: yeah.
[00:33:29] Nicole: and I, and I agree, like it doesn't, it isn't quite fair that like, well, what about the last, I don't know, whatever it is, 70 years of education, why weren't they forgiven?
[00:33:40] Nicole: Well, the but the problem is just such a mess. What do we do?
[00:33:44] Jolene: Okay. Here's your next one.
[00:33:46] Jolene: Epstein files.
[00:33:48] Nicole: Oh dude, listen, I can't tell. I'm just gonna say this, Joe, the liberal media. I can't get away from the Epstein
[00:33:57] Jolene: It's everywhere. I don't, it's not just liberal,[00:34:00]
[00:34:00] Jolene: it's everywhere. that because, and it's fascinating because, well, a couple things are fascinating.
[00:34:07] Nicole: The MAGA movement, from what I can tell, is really pissed off.
[00:34:11] Nicole: Then all of a sudden Trump was like, it's the Democrat's fault. And I'm like, wait a minute. This has nothing to do. Like what, what? I would love, honestly, Jolene, to hear what you think about all of this.
[00:34:24] Nicole: I would love it. And what you know, from what you hear in your media and all of that.
[00:34:29] Jolene: honestly, I have not like gotten into this, so I'm only like telling you what I've either seen through scrolling or headlines or something, but my gut, so I'm just speaking from my gut here. Uh.
[00:34:42] Nicole: Well, the conspiracy theorist that you are.
[00:34:45] Jolene: Thank you. Yes, exactly. 100% I think there is a list of, um, of people, of his clients, of Epstein's clients, and maybe there's pictures, maybe there's receipts, [00:35:00] whatever. And that Trump decided, because everybody was talking about it, right? Pam Bondi was talking about it and everybody was like, yeah, but sitting mama desk and, I'm, I'm just waiting, like I gotta get through it.
[00:35:14] Jolene: And then all of a sudden there was no list. And so I think what's happened is Trump goes, wait a second, I could use this to get whatever I want now. I mean, he'll
[00:35:29] Jolene: hold this
[00:35:30] Nicole: hold on. This is the, I've never heard this theory.
[00:35:33] Jolene: Oh, okay. Good.
[00:35:34] Nicole: dev, I've been devouring this stuff for a week. not 'cause I want to, because every, everyone like. Ezra Klein, the daily tangle. Everyone is talking about Epstein and not one person has
[00:35:51] Nicole: said
[00:35:52] Jolene: okay, so I don't, I haven't gotten this from anywhere. I'm just saying if I think it would be
[00:35:57] Nicole: How would he use it? I don't understand. How would [00:36:00] he
[00:36:00] Jolene: so if, if, if there's something on there that says that Schumer was going to these parties or something, then he would say, Hey Schumer, I really need this passed and if you don't, I'm gonna release the list.
[00:36:17] Jolene: And, hey, you actor, you athlete, you, singer you, whoever it is, you. Political figure
[00:36:25] Nicole: but what about
[00:36:26] Jolene: is now got and, and maybe he's on there too. I mean, he could very
[00:36:31] Nicole: I mean, I mean that's, that's been the overwhelming, I think consensus that, that he is going to be on it.
[00:36:41] Jolene: don't you think though that if he was on it, that the people who have seen it up to this point would have leaked that? mean, come on, they leak, uh, there's leaks
[00:36:52] Nicole: I mean, I don't, I honestly don't know if there's a list, per se. There's there's records of like flights, there's records of phone calls, [00:37:00] there's records of things like that. And, and maybe it's embarrassing to Trump.
[00:37:04] Nicole: Probably, uh, it's not gonna be embarrassing to a lot of people, maybe humiliating. and what I found fascinating is like the MAGA movement has been so loyal. I mean, like, he can kind of do no wrong and he also, you know, one, their, uh, trust by saying that he was going to be transparent and now he's not.
[00:37:30] Nicole: Or they're like, nothing to see here. And there's this backlash of like, wait, are you just like them? do you mean
[00:37:37] Nicole: there's nothing
[00:37:38] Jolene: it could, because I think that there could be people inside the maga. Facet of the, of the party who were on this list. And he was, and he, and he's just, I mean, knowledge is power. And if he has got, and there's no one who loves power more than Trump,
[00:37:54] Jolene: and if he has got this list or if he's got, like you said, he's got evidence of, [00:38:00] of all of these people, he's just keeping it close to the vest and he will use it when he needs to
[00:38:06] Nicole: That's so fascinating. I have, I mean, 'I felt like so prepared for the Epstein thing and now I'm just like,
[00:38:13] Jolene: I've thrown you
[00:38:14] Nicole: you've totally thrown me.
[00:38:16] Nicole: cause I don't even know how to wrap my brain around this.
[00:38:19] Nicole: Like, but you are right that remember when I said I was gonna give Trump, um, credit when he's, he is a master. Game player.
[00:38:32] Nicole: He knows, he knows how to read people, he knows how to charm people. He knows how to bite. it's shocking. I don't want the Democrats to learn from it, but they really could. Uh, he's, he's a master at this stuff. And, I mean, he's also funny and,
[00:38:55] Jolene: And good looking. Oh my God. Do you have a crush
[00:38:57] Nicole: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, [00:39:00] no, no. I did not say that. Um, but like, also he isbananas. Like he'll say stuff and you're like, what? And I think he's always just like five steps ahead, usually, you know? So.
[00:39:14] Jolene: Well, and I think that the thing that you and I have learned too, doing all this is that what you think the story is is not really the story and what he wants you to look at isn't what we should be
[00:39:25] Nicole: Well, e Exactly. And I think that's, I think you are correct that he's playing with something there. I think that's totally makes sense because he has said to his supporters, you wonder what goes on in those places, the Epstein's that, like you don't even know the half of it.
[00:39:41] Jolene: Mm-hmm.
[00:39:41] Nicole: So they, he has built this story or shared with them and now he's not willing to share it. And that's really pissing people off.
[00:39:53] Jolene: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:39:53] Nicole: I really, I'm thrown by your answer because I, I think it would be
[00:39:58] Nicole: helpful. You are,[00:40:00]
[00:40:00] Jolene: Yes. Because I came up with it. It's not something I read or it's not something, it's like, it's just, maybe it's my devious, conspiratorial mind that came up with it's,
[00:40:12] Nicole: absolutely your devious conspiratorial mind. Because I personally just like release whatever you have and if you have nothing, release it. Release the nothing,
[00:40:21] Nicole: because this is like,
[00:40:24] Jolene: Nah, that's, there's no fun in that.
[00:40:26] Nicole: uh,
[00:40:26] Jolene: Okay, here's the next one. What is the most important issue to the Democrats right now?
[00:40:31] Nicole: I think this is the problem. There isn't one,
[00:40:35] Nicole: it's always about reacting. Reacting to what Trump said, reacting to that bill. Reacting to, I don't feel like we actually have an issue that we're like, this is what we're about. Bernie's about, you know, universal healthcare, but not every Democrat is, were very upset about [00:41:00] public funding being cut for, um, PBS and NPR, but that's a reaction to, it's not a, let me stand up for what I believe and, and.
[00:41:12] Nicole: That's a fantastic question, Jolene, and I don't have an answer for you. And I think if I did have an answer, we would start winning
[00:41:20] Jolene: God, I mean that I You could be right. Yeah.
[00:41:24] Nicole: because when we, you know, it's, it's when, when we're just reacting, there's no power in that. Like it's, it takes courage. It takes belief, it takes drive. It takes faith to believe in something and send that message out and, and don't stop, don't worry about what Trump says. Don't worry about what Mike Johnson says. Don't worry. Just keep moving forward.
[00:41:57] Jolene: so the most important issue to the Democrats right [00:42:00] now is that you don't have an issue.
[00:42:02] Nicole:
[00:42:02] Jolene: Okay. Here's the last one.
[00:42:05] Nicole: Okay.
[00:42:05] Jolene: one bipartisan deal that you would like to see push through right now?
[00:42:12] Nicole: affordable healthcare and prescription drugs.
[00:42:16] Jolene: Oh, that's a good one. God, that, and that would be, damn, that would be such an easy, I feel like the whole prescription drugs thing, everybody
[00:42:22] Jolene: can
[00:42:23] Jolene: get
[00:42:23] Nicole: Well, and, and, and, and to add that,
[00:42:25] Nicole: This is a big overhaul, but changing the medical system so that it's not in bed with pharma, and we talked about this in the, um, big food episode that we did doing an overhaul of the healthcare system so that we are looking to actually make each other, well,
[00:42:45] Nicole: to make each other healthy. And I'm not talking about the Maha movement. I mean something where it's like, where you go to the doctor and you're not, and you're like, I'm not feeling well. And they, here is a [00:43:00] drug,
[00:43:00] Nicole: let's revamp this system. I'm not saying that you don't need a drug, but like, It's just sort of insane.
[00:43:09] Nicole: I, and I see it all the time, caring for my dad and everything that he's gone through. And the dismissiveness of being, being an older person
[00:43:18] Nicole: makes me mad and it's maddening and it's upsetting and I can't believe, like, and older people tend to look up to the doctors and don't question, and you need your family to advocate because they will do everything they can to just throw a bunch of drugs at you.
[00:43:38] Nicole: that's what I would love a bipartisan coalition of people that would help overhaul the healthcare system so that if you're sick, you can get care if you need some medicine that you can afford it. and that, you aren't being pushed. Drugs you don't need.
[00:43:55] Jolene: as a doctor, you're not getting the, the fear of getting sued for everything that
[00:43:59] Nicole: Yes, [00:44:00] yes, yes, absolutely.
[00:44:04] Nicole: And encouraging people to go through the medical system because there's a new way to do it, and it's exciting and inspiring.
[00:44:12] Jolene: So when you say, I don't, I, I'm not talking about Maha,but isn't that what he is trying to do? Isn't that what Kennedy is trying to do?
[00:44:20] Nicole: I honestly feel in terms, like, I feel like he has an ulterior motive too. I don't know enough about it. I know that there's so much bureaucracy. I guess when I say not the Maha movement, I don't want my idea to be put in a label. I want something fresh.
[00:44:36] Nicole: I want something that hasn't been done yet
[00:44:38] Nicole: where Republicans and Democrats can come together and like really look at the problems
[00:44:43] Jolene: Yeah.
[00:44:44] Nicole: so that, so that, uh, you know, CEOs aren't shot on the streets of Manhattan,
[00:44:50] Jolene: Wow.
[00:44:51] Jolene: Yeah,
[00:44:52] Nicole: right? I mean, that's,
[00:44:54] Jolene: and, and that
[00:44:55] Nicole: system is
[00:44:55] Jolene: think that it's okay. That's the most alarming thing was [00:45:00] not that it happened, but that people are, are
[00:45:03] Jolene: behind
[00:45:03] Jolene: him.
[00:45:04] Nicole: I think it's both Jolene, I think society we're in and, and it's just silly and social media and
[00:45:10] Jolene: Yeah.
[00:45:11] Nicole: it it's nuts. We're glamorizing violence. I mean, that's a whole other conversation. Yeah.
[00:45:19] Jolene: Okay. That's all I had for you.
[00:45:21] Nicole: So, Thank you for another episode of Shit that Jolene wants to talk about.
[00:45:26] Jolene: I think we need to do shit that Nicole wants to talk about.
[00:45:29] Nicole: I, I think, I think we do too. I think we do too. All
[00:45:32] Nicole: right.
[00:45:33] Jolene: is a segment we like to call. Would you rather?
[00:45:35] Nicole: Would you rather buy 10 things you don't need every time you go to the store? Or always forget the one thing that you need when you go to the store?
[00:45:50] Jolene: I would rather buy 10 things I don't need. Oh my God. I can't, I mean, my memory is so bad anymore and if I don't write it down, even if it's four things, I'm like, [00:46:00] but why did I come to the store? Like there was one thing that I needed, like I came because I needed eggs, but I
[00:46:06] Jolene: got
[00:46:07] Nicole: And now I've been to, I've been to your store. I've
[00:46:09] Nicole: been to your store.
[00:46:11] Jolene: We almost got kicked out.
[00:46:12] Nicole: Yes. I, Yeah. Yeah.
[00:46:15] Nicole: Well, yeah.
[00:46:17] Nicole: And yes.
[00:46:19] Jolene: For, it's for the protection of our patrons.
[00:46:22] Jolene: What? Because
[00:46:24] Nicole: okay, it's a supermarket
[00:46:26] Nicole: and no one's in the aisle.
[00:46:27] Jolene: it's because they're part of the witness protection plan here
[00:46:31] Nicole: That frozen food aisle we've gotta protect.
[00:46:34] Jolene: you just never know.
[00:46:36] Nicole: Anyway. All right.
[00:46:37] Jolene: Okay. So I asked my daughter,
[00:46:39] Nicole: Go for
[00:46:40] Jolene: to
[00:46:40] Jolene: Would you rather never drink coffee again? Have to read political opinion articles before every Sip it.
[00:46:54] Nicole: Patsy. That's what I do, that's what I do. I am never [00:47:00] giving up my coffee. I did for a year to see if I could do it. And it was, it wasn't that painful, honestly. But then I remember being at my brother's house in California and, uh, they make such delicious coffee. Thank you Gwen and Tyler, you make such delicious coffee.
[00:47:18] Nicole: And I smelled it. And I was like, you know what? I'm ready. And I had that first. Cup and holy moly, was I flying around the house? I was like, wow. Um, yeah. I love my coffee and I love my political opinions, so that one's easy.
[00:47:33] Jolene: Okay.
[00:47:33] Nicole: I would be so well read. I would be so
[00:47:36] Jolene: I mean, before every
[00:47:37] Nicole: in my opinions I mean, the coffee would be cold by the time I, if I had to read an article before every sip.
[00:47:43] Jolene: Do you have an ember?
[00:47:45] Jolene: Did I show you my ember cup?
[00:47:48] Nicole: What's
[00:47:49] Nicole: that?
[00:47:49] Jolene: a coffee cup that sits on a base and so it charges it and it keeps your coffee at, at a, a steady temperature the entire time. [00:48:00] It's
[00:48:00] Nicole: I don't have that.
[00:48:01] Jolene: brilliant.
[00:48:03] Nicole: Huh,
[00:48:04] Jolene: Hmm
[00:48:05] Nicole: interesting.
[00:48:05] Jolene: hmm.
[00:48:06] Jolene: Interesting.
[00:48:06] Nicole: What's it called?
[00:48:08] Jolene: Ember. E-M-E-M-B-E-R.
[00:48:13] Nicole: um, '
[00:48:13] Nicole: did you get it
[00:48:14] Jolene: but I think you can get it anywhere.
[00:48:15] Jolene: Now I got Jeff one years ago from Starbucks, but I think, and then he just now got me one,
[00:48:21] Jolene: I
[00:48:21] Jolene: think this
[00:48:21] Jolene: last
[00:48:22] Nicole: I would imagine they have a website that we could put on their on in our show
[00:48:25] Nicole: notes too, so
[00:48:26] Jolene: so that you too, you can have coffee and you get to set the temperature. So if you want it at, if you like to drink your coffee at 148 degrees.
[00:48:35] Jolene: It is always 148 degrees every sip you take and then you just put
[00:48:39] Nicole: It's not, it's not overcooked.
[00:48:41] Nicole: It's not
[00:48:41] Nicole: overcooked.
[00:48:42] Jolene: it doesn't, it just, it maintains the temperature so it doesn't make it hotter.
[00:48:49] Nicole: Interesting. Okay. Good to know.
[00:48:53] Nicole: We just gave a plug for this cup that I've never heard of.
[00:48:57] Jolene: Amber, if you would like to send Nicole a [00:49:00] cup, you may do it. Her address is,
[00:49:03] Nicole: Yes. all right my friend. Thank
[00:49:06] Nicole: you
[00:49:06] Nicole: for
[00:49:06] Nicole: this.
[00:49:06] Jolene: fun.
[00:49:07] Nicole: It was fun. Um, and we will do it again. Thank you guys for, uh, listening, watching. And, uh, please, uh, press that subscribe button on our YouTube page and please press the thumbs up, kicking that algorithm in. Um, we really appreciate you guys really, really, really, we understand that sometimes, um, we piss you off, and we appreciate that you still tune in every week and, and, and come on this ride with us.
[00:49:36] Nicole: We understand that this is not an easy ask, and hopefully we bring some joy into your life every week
[00:49:41] Jolene: that's so sweet. I
[00:49:42] Jolene: love
[00:49:43] Jolene: that.
[00:49:43] Nicole: It's true. It's true.
[00:49:44] Jolene: good.
[00:49:44] Nicole: All right.
[00:49:45] Jolene: everybody.
[00:49:46] Nicole: see you on the other side. All right, bye.
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